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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I'm a great fan of the maximum income,
      I've coined the idea myself already several times. <br>
      Koen<br>
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      Op 12-07-13 19:05, Thrasos Nerantzis schreef:<br>
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      <div>It's  a core issue, especially for the countries of southern
        europe.</div>
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      I think the minimum basic income is important, especially in
      industrialized countries where bosses tend to come together on
      agreements, so that they can bring down salaries and increase
      margins.
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      <div>I don't think we should be debating the minimum basic salary,
        because by definition it's there to defend the lower classes of
        labour,</div>
      <div> instead we should be introducing a "maximum income", to
        avoid repeating what we've all witnessed with the banking
        sector.</div>
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      <div>Perhaps a "maximum income" along with decision transparency
        might help reduce the chances of wealth over-accumulation and
        poverty.</div>
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      <div>Whats your take on this?</div>
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      <div>Thrasos Nerantzis</div>
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              <div>On Jul 12, 2013, at 7:46 PM, Tom Behets
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                <p dir="ltr">Some days ago, a non pirate told me her
                  idea of the Pirate party.<br>
                  She said pirate party is constantly co-opted by all
                  sorts of leftist interest groups to push their agenda.<br>
                  I feel the same.</p>
                <p dir="ltr">We should stick to our core issues. <br>
                  If you aim for everything, you get nothing...<br>
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                <p dir="ltr">Tom </p>
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                    Basic income is often mentioned as point of the
                    pirates program.  Do<br>
                    you think it is a universal thing across all pirate
                    parties - or is it<br>
                    just the German pirates that stand strongly behind
                    it?<br>
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                    Do you think it is leftist?<br>
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                    Personally I support Basic Income.  It might be
                    viewed as slightly<br>
                    leftist - but if it is introduced together with a
                    linear taxation<br>
                    scale and getting rid of unemployment benefits -
                    then it is not<br>
                    leftist at all.  For me the most important aspect of
                    this whole<br>
                    package is that it makes governance simpler.
                     Taxation is decoupled<br>
                    and can be payed independently for all income
                    sources and the state is<br>
                    not forced to do things that depend too much on
                    personal circumstances<br>
                    (like checking if the person is really unemployed
                    and if he really<br>
                    tries to find a job etc) - state is not good in
                    these - people quickly<br>
                    learn how to fool it and that is demoralizing.  But
                    state is good for<br>
                    universal services - like paying everyone the same
                    amount.  So let the<br>
                    state do what it is good at and let other, smaller
                    organizations do<br>
                    other things.<br>
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                    There are of course many other benefits as well -
                    but this is what<br>
                    moves me personally.<br>
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                    --<br>
                    Zbigniew Lukasiak<br>
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