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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I'm a great fan of the maximum income,
I've coined the idea myself already several times. <br>
Koen<br>
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Op 12-07-13 19:05, Thrasos Nerantzis schreef:<br>
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<div>It's a core issue, especially for the countries of southern
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I think the minimum basic income is important, especially in
industrialized countries where bosses tend to come together on
agreements, so that they can bring down salaries and increase
margins.
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<div>I don't think we should be debating the minimum basic salary,
because by definition it's there to defend the lower classes of
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<div> instead we should be introducing a "maximum income", to
avoid repeating what we've all witnessed with the banking
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<div>Perhaps a "maximum income" along with decision transparency
might help reduce the chances of wealth over-accumulation and
poverty.</div>
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<div>Whats your take on this?</div>
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<div>On Jul 12, 2013, at 7:46 PM, Tom Behets
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<p dir="ltr">Some days ago, a non pirate told me her
idea of the Pirate party.<br>
She said pirate party is constantly co-opted by all
sorts of leftist interest groups to push their agenda.<br>
I feel the same.</p>
<p dir="ltr">We should stick to our core issues. <br>
If you aim for everything, you get nothing...<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Tom </p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 12 Jul 2013 15:26, "Zbigniew
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Basic income is often mentioned as point of the
pirates program. Do<br>
you think it is a universal thing across all pirate
parties - or is it<br>
just the German pirates that stand strongly behind
it?<br>
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Do you think it is leftist?<br>
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Personally I support Basic Income. It might be
viewed as slightly<br>
leftist - but if it is introduced together with a
linear taxation<br>
scale and getting rid of unemployment benefits -
then it is not<br>
leftist at all. For me the most important aspect of
this whole<br>
package is that it makes governance simpler.
Taxation is decoupled<br>
and can be payed independently for all income
sources and the state is<br>
not forced to do things that depend too much on
personal circumstances<br>
(like checking if the person is really unemployed
and if he really<br>
tries to find a job etc) - state is not good in
these - people quickly<br>
learn how to fool it and that is demoralizing. But
state is good for<br>
universal services - like paying everyone the same
amount. So let the<br>
state do what it is good at and let other, smaller
organizations do<br>
other things.<br>
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There are of course many other benefits as well -
but this is what<br>
moves me personally.<br>
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