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<div dir="ltr">2013/7/12 Betiel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:betielix@gmail.com" target="_blank">betielix@gmail.com</a>></span><br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div>What`s the matter if it is leftist or not? The question must be if it will be usefull and solve people problems or not. Or if basic incomes should be addressed by pirates parties or not. If you see it as a kind of human right I believe is a valid pirate topic.</div>
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<div dir="ltr"><div></div>In Argentina we actually have basic income by law. It would be crazy to try to change that, except perhaps to ask for a change in the mount due to inflation, so we really do not have discussions about it.<div>
Personally I believe having a basic income helps to avoid abuses from some unethical companies.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Just to know, basic income in Argentina is unconditional?</div></div></div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>All people who is employed must be paid more than the basic income.</div><div>We also have some plans for all who do not have a work. In that cases the mount is variable. It depends of how many children you have, etc, etc.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2013/7/12 Zbigniew Łukasiak <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:zzbbyy@gmail.com" target="_blank">zzbbyy@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Basic income is often mentioned as point of the pirates program. Do<br>
you think it is a universal thing across all pirate parties - or is it<br>
just the German pirates that stand strongly behind it?<br></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Just as universal as direct/liquid democracy. Each party have their own view (which is great and required because each country is different).</div>
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Do you think it is leftist?<br></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I don't think so. I found an interesting article about basic income which describes three trends that can lead to it, and they are pretty neutral: <a href="http://simulacrum.cc/2013/07/10/three-trends-that-push-us-towards-an-unconditional-basic-income/" target="_blank">http://simulacrum.cc/2013/07/10/three-trends-that-push-us-towards-an-unconditional-basic-income/</a> </div>
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