<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>It's a core issue, especially for the countries of southern europe.</div><div><br></div>I think the minimum basic income is important, especially in industrialized countries where bosses tend to come together on agreements, so that they can bring down salaries and increase margins.<div><br></div><div>I don't think we should be debating the minimum basic salary, because by definition it's there to defend the lower classes of labour,</div><div> instead we should be introducing a "maximum income", to avoid repeating what we've all witnessed with the banking sector.</div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps a "maximum income" along with decision transparency might help reduce the chances of wealth over-accumulation and poverty.</div><div><br></div><div>Whats your take on this?</div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Thrasos Nerantzis</div><div><a href="http://www.thrasos.net">www.thrasos.net</a><br><div><br></div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>On Jul 12, 2013, at 7:46 PM, Tom Behets <behets@gmail.com> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><p dir="ltr">Some days ago, a non pirate told me her idea of the Pirate party.<br>
She said pirate party is constantly co-opted by all sorts of leftist interest groups to push their agenda.<br>
I feel the same.</p><p dir="ltr">We should stick to our core issues. <br>
If you aim for everything, you get nothing...<br></p><p dir="ltr">Tom </p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 12 Jul 2013 15:26, "Zbigniew Łukasiak" <<a href="mailto:zzbbyy@gmail.com">zzbbyy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Basic income is often mentioned as point of the pirates program. Do<br>
you think it is a universal thing across all pirate parties - or is it<br>
just the German pirates that stand strongly behind it?<br>
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Do you think it is leftist?<br>
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Personally I support Basic Income. It might be viewed as slightly<br>
leftist - but if it is introduced together with a linear taxation<br>
scale and getting rid of unemployment benefits - then it is not<br>
leftist at all. For me the most important aspect of this whole<br>
package is that it makes governance simpler. Taxation is decoupled<br>
and can be payed independently for all income sources and the state is<br>
not forced to do things that depend too much on personal circumstances<br>
(like checking if the person is really unemployed and if he really<br>
tries to find a job etc) - state is not good in these - people quickly<br>
learn how to fool it and that is demoralizing. But state is good for<br>
universal services - like paying everyone the same amount. So let the<br>
state do what it is good at and let other, smaller organizations do<br>
other things.<br>
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There are of course many other benefits as well - but this is what<br>
moves me personally.<br>
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--<br>
Zbigniew Lukasiak<br>
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