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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Logic, ethic, and justice, nor philosophy do propagate adequately limited to 140 character blobs to code ideas.<br><br>But of course, if all you want the masses to say is:<br><br>"Me monkey. You give banana?" then you still provide margin for progress :( .<br><br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 10:21:30 -0700<br>From: aftermath.thegreat@gmail.com<br>To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] OTR Chatting en mass?<br><br><div dir="ltr">WHAT THE MASSES REALLY NEED<div><br></div><div>is an application that allows you to text message (sms) with OTR made for iOS, android windows phone and symbian and black berry OS.</div><div><br></div><div>Most laypersons on the street use simple text messages (sms) and have either iOS or android platforms.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>anyone on the OTR mailing list? </div></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Jack Allnutt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:j.allnutt@pirateparty.org.uk" target="_blank">j.allnutt@pirateparty.org.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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On 11/07/2013 21:04, Richard Stallman wrote:<br>
<span style="white-space:pre-wrap;">> It also looks like the
client will be open source but not free software.<br>
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> What specific facts is that conclusion based on?</span><br>
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Their FAQ. They use the term "open source":<br>
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*Will it be Open Source?*<div class="ecxim"><br>
We have all intentions of opening up the source as much as possible
for scrutiny and help! What we really want people to understand
however, is that Open Source in itself does not guarantee any
privacy or safety. It sure helps with transparency, but technology
by itself is not enough. The fundamental benefits of Heml.is will be
the app together with our infrastructure, which is what really makes
the system interesting and secure.<br>
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But further down they state:<br>
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*Your server only?*<br>
Yes! The way to make the system secure is that we can control the
infrastructure. Distributing to other servers makes it impossible to
give any guarantees about the security. We?ll have audits from
trusted third parties on our platforms regularily[sic], in
cooperation with our community.<br>
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This in combination with another answer:<br>
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*Will you provide an API and/or allow third party clients?*<br>
At this point we don?t see how that would be possible without
compromising the security, so for now the answer is no.<br>
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leads me to conclude that it wouldn't allow the end-user to exercise
her 4 freedoms, specifically #1. Of course they could just be
talking about their back-end, but I struggle to see how they would
exclude forked versions effectively if the client was completely
free.<div class="ecxim"><br>
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<span style="white-space:pre-wrap;">> It is possible for a<br>
> program to be open source but not free software, but it is
extremely<br>
> unusual in an application.</span><br>
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Is there that much of a difference between a program and an
application, other than the packaging?<div class="ecxim"><br>
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<span style="white-space:pre-wrap;">> A priori, a misunderstanding
is more<br>
> likely. Could this be a misunderstanding?</span><br>
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Perhaps, but I am sceptical.<br>
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- -- Jack<div class="ecxim"><br>
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