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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>The leftist cooptation only really kicks in once you have left people long enough without a clue on what to do.<br><br>Then going for the failed leftist ideas becomes less evil than having nothing to do at all :( .<br><br>So you can imagine the actual level of ideas in the present pirate parties, sadly.<br><br><br>If you do not aim for everything... then you do not get enough of everybody to vote for your proposed solutions. I guess Swedish and German electoral results, compared to all other results (barring statistical abnormalities some do not grasp) are there to back up my thought on that.<br><br>Of course, you need brains to come up with a coherent story to back your rational idea of that "everything", one that caters to both the liberal wing and the lefty wing of the pirates, and seems consistent for a broad spectrum of voters that now have to choose between voting either more to the right or more to the left than they really feel themselves.<br><br>The mass dynamics of horizontal assemblies in their ultrasimplified fit for all versions has some statistical pitfalls that make possible solutions depend on available average IQ level troughout the swarm, in such a way that nothing ever gets approved that is beyond the immediate and effortless understanding of less than 50% of its members.<br><br>No doubt... that includes most of intelligent solutions.<br><br>I leave it up to the individual understanding of the reader to imagine what can ever be achieved with less than intelligent proposals. Because if they are populistically formulated... they will add to the reputation of the Chaotentruppe :( .<br><br><br>Antonio.<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:46:54 +0200<br>From: behets@gmail.com<br>To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Basic income - how does that fit into the pirate ideology?<br><br><p dir="ltr">Some days ago, a non pirate told me her idea of the Pirate party.<br>
She said pirate party is constantly co-opted by all sorts of leftist interest groups to push their agenda.<br>
I feel the same.</p>
<p dir="ltr">We should stick to our core issues. <br>
If you aim for everything, you get nothing...<br></p>
<p dir="ltr">Tom </p>
<div class="ecxgmail_quote">On 12 Jul 2013 15:26, "Zbigniew Łukasiak" <<a href="mailto:zzbbyy@gmail.com">zzbbyy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Basic income is often mentioned as point of the pirates program. Do<br>
you think it is a universal thing across all pirate parties - or is it<br>
just the German pirates that stand strongly behind it?<br>
<br>
Do you think it is leftist?<br>
<br>
Personally I support Basic Income. It might be viewed as slightly<br>
leftist - but if it is introduced together with a linear taxation<br>
scale and getting rid of unemployment benefits - then it is not<br>
leftist at all. For me the most important aspect of this whole<br>
package is that it makes governance simpler. Taxation is decoupled<br>
and can be payed independently for all income sources and the state is<br>
not forced to do things that depend too much on personal circumstances<br>
(like checking if the person is really unemployed and if he really<br>
tries to find a job etc) - state is not good in these - people quickly<br>
learn how to fool it and that is demoralizing. But state is good for<br>
universal services - like paying everyone the same amount. So let the<br>
state do what it is good at and let other, smaller organizations do<br>
other things.<br>
<br>
There are of course many other benefits as well - but this is what<br>
moves me personally.<br>
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