<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>All,</div><div><br></div><div>The text does not include amounts </div><div><br></div><div>These amounts were given as exemple for people to understand.</div><div><br></div><div>It will be up to the government to fix the appropriate amount.</div><div><br></div><div>These amounts seem high but they are roughly aligned to social aid amount.</div><div><br></div><div>For you to know, with such amount in most of swiss cities you can barely survive. At least you can pay for a small appartment and your social security and some food. </div><div><br></div><div>It is an appropriate amount depending on the actual living costs in switzerland.</div><div><br></div><div>For comparaison, socialist party is asking for a minimum wage of 4000 chf</div><div><br></div><div>Best</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>Alexis Roussel / President Pirate Party Switzerland <br><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Francisco George <francisco.george@gmail.com> <br>Date: <br>To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk <pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net> <br>Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Basic income - how does that fit into the pirate ideology? <br> <br><br><div dir="ltr">Yes they will vote it, the Swiss Direct Democracy system requires 100.000 signatures to take a citizen initiative to referendum. The basic income would be of <div><br></div>"The Swiss will vote on the principle of a basic allowance, called "unconditional basic income" (RBI) of <b>2500 Swiss francs (CHF) per month (2,080 euros) for all</b>, without condition or consideration, as an initiative People who gathered the 100,000 signatures required for this purpose. The project also provides a pension of <b>1 000 CHF per child 7 000 CHF (5,800 euros) per month for a family with two children</b>."<div>
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</div><div><br></div><div>Personnaly I think the amounts are way too high. But this is how Direct Democracy works in CH, ask for the maximum as now the proposal, once certified as Referendum, will be negociated betweeen the State and the Citizens and the amount might be reduced.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Switzerland is using Direct Democracy since mid 19th Century. They lately voted by Popular Referendum on limitation of high salararies in Enterprises(accepted) and raise of VTA(accepted)</div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/8/2 Zbigniew Łukasiak <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:zzbbyy@gmail.com" target="_blank">zzbbyy@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Looks like the Swiss are ahead in the game:<br>
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They have collected enough signatures that the idea will be voted in<br>
the parliament - as I understand it.<br>
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By the way - to all supporters of BI - have a look at the 'canadian<br>
pension system' thread that I have started recently - it is like BI<br>
but limited to pensioners, because of this limit it is something that<br>
is practical to do even now.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Zbigniew<br>
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