<p dir="ltr">Hi Rafa,<br>
my reply contains 2 'answers';<br>
First, I disagree with imposing it (seperation of powers) as a precondition for membership to the PPI.<br>
Second, I gave an extreme example of where consequences of no seperation of powers can lead to. <br>
So my point is that there is/should be a reasonable balance between those 2 extremes. And creating an obligation how a pirate party should be organised for PPI membership is (also) not a pirate principle (dictating others), not ?</p>
<p dir="ltr">Pirately,<br>
Anouk</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 22 Aug 2013 15:51, "Rafa Couto" <<a href="mailto:rafacouto@gmail.com">rafacouto@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>I disagree with your position. Yours is a bad example nowadays since <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons" target="_blank">several countries have their own launching codes</a>. Inter-country (read group of people) stability is stronger when power is distributed.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Moreover, the empowerment is a fundamental concept in pirate philosophy and a great value in order to avoid unfair rules. In my opinion, separation of power must be an option and should be used by individual parts.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Rafa</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Anouk <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jakobsheep@gmail.com" target="_blank">jakobsheep@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Some more brainstorming, <br>
The separation of powers as an advice yes, but as a condition, no.</p>
<p dir="ltr">If problems occur in the future, we'll discuss it in a pirate way (direct dialogue). Besides, what works for one not necessairely works for another. (Next to the existing laws in each nation)</p>
<p dir="ltr">Although,<br>
to give an example of no separation of powers, about launching nucleair missiles, are you saying it would be a good idea for each and all in a country to have an immediate launching code ? ;-) </p>
<p dir="ltr">Keep on dreaming.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Pirately,<br>
Anouk</p><div><div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 21 Aug 2013 14:16, "carlo von lynX" <<a href="mailto:lynX@pirate.my.buttharp.org" target="_blank">lynX@pirate.my.buttharp.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Whenever I talk to German Pirates about the idea of doing a<br>
political party without an effective separation of powers<br>
they quite naturally tell me it cannot work. In fact in<br>
Germany it's the law prescribing that parties need to have<br>
seperated legislative, executive and judicial powers.<br>
<br>
Somewhere some Pirates instead think that this seperation<br>
of powers thing is old-fashioned and an expression of the<br>
"system" as we know it.<br>
<br>
This is a valuable rebellious way to see it, but the visible<br>
consequence of this is that some verbally powerful people<br>
dominate the social habitat, while others, who feel unjustily<br>
treated or merely observe the behaviour of the ones in power,<br>
quickly steer away from participating and contributing to a<br>
common project. Thus, an actual political party never is<br>
formed. I could say, it remains the playground of a handful<br>
of bullies, but luckily I haven't seen any Pirate Party in<br>
such bad conditions. I am just theorising that it could end<br>
up that way.<br>
<br>
I am thus wondering if proper Seperation of Powers should be<br>
a criterion for full members of the PPI. A decision of this<br>
kind on international level would probably catalise the<br>
necessary reforms to make some PP's more functional than<br>
they currently are. I think there was some decision about<br>
requiring proper internal democracy in PP's, but does that<br>
imply a Separation of Powers?<br>
<br>
Just wondering if I am hitting a nail on the head or if I am<br>
just trolling without knowing myself.<br>
<br>
Greetings.<br>
<br>
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