<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">"if you don't count the </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">people who voted first time" is a horribly big "if". Don't overanalyse things and try to find the worst in the results, just be happy and keep trucking. If we start over-considering every failure we will never survive as a movement.</span><br>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Anton</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On 24 September 2013 17:25, Pirat@LennStar.de <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pirat@lennstar.de" target="_blank">pirat@lennstar.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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</div>2,2% is bad because we actually losed votes if you don't count the<br>
people who voted first time.<br>
For the voters under 18 the votes are spred fairly evenly among many<br>
parties, PP got more then 12%.<br>
<a href="http://www.u18.org/das-projekt-u18/" target="_blank">http://www.u18.org/das-projekt-u18/</a><br>
There is big difference between voting districts in the lowest level,<br>
though.<br>
Where I was the candidate (more or less just to have one) we scored 17%<br>
<a href="http://www.u18.org/das-projekt-u18/" target="_blank">http://www.u18.org/das-projekt-u18/</a><br>
But at the same time I (and the PP) in my voting district had one of<br>
the lowest "real" votes (1,7% for Pirates).<br>
<br>
If you take that as mesurement we are not better then 2009, we are<br>
worse (in Sachsen-Anhalt state even directly compared)<br>
<br>
<br>
LennStar<br>
<br>
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Am <a href="tel:24.09.2013%2010" value="+12409201310">24.09.2013 10</a>:29, schrieb Paul Berettoni (cmal):<br>
<div><div class="h5">> Hi Peter,<br>
><br>
> I think on the contrary that 2.2% is far from being a bad result.<br>
> This shows that despite the lack of media attention and all the<br>
> internal conflits you had to face, you still achieved some progress<br>
> since 2009.<br>
><br>
> It is true that in between, the Piratenpartei has won many seats<br>
> in regional parliements and has been polled as third biggest party<br>
> of Germany. But don't you think that was really artificial ?<br>
><br>
> The Pirates have caught a lot of media attention and were at the<br>
> time rather undefined ? yet different from others, which led them<br>
> to gathering support from many contesters who didn't share many<br>
> ideas and values with us.<br>
><br>
> This situation is still happening in France? with our fascist<br>
> party ?¹? which gathers more than 20% of the votes at every<br>
> election. But many of their voters do not support their<br>
> anti-humanist policies and as soon as they find a good alternative<br>
> (the Pirates ?) highlighted by the media they will probably stop<br>
> voting for them.<br>
><br>
> Then came Alternative für Deutschland, which probably took many<br>
> Pirate voters on the dark side of politics : xenophobia,<br>
> euroscepticism, etc? Their 5% didn't come out of nowhere and I am<br>
> very sure many of their supporters are just basic contesters who at<br>
> some point in history supported the Pirate Party.<br>
><br>
> Still, I would like to point out a very interesting fact : the<br>
> Pirate Party in Germany is the only progressive party to have<br>
> actually progressed in the results since the last elections,<br>
> gathering 0.2% more than last time. In comparison, the Greens and<br>
> the Left lost each about 3%.<br>
><br>
> Do you still think the situation is that bad ? 2.2% is already<br>
> quite a lot, and if I could make it so 2.2% of the french<br>
> population actually promotes and practices Freedom, Democracy and<br>
> Sharing, I would probably ? although I would never stop working on<br>
> it and acknoledge it ? consider my political mission to be<br>
> accomplished.<br>
><br>
> Because 2.2% is a very strong critical mass, enough to change the<br>
> world by other means than elections.<br>
><br>
> I am sorry I have no time to go deeper on the topic ; I am<br>
> expected somewhere else. In case any of you speak French or would<br>
> like to use a well known translation tool, here is the article we<br>
> french Pirates are about to publish regarding the german elections<br>
> : <a href="http://www.partipirate.org/spip.php?article391&var_mode=preview" target="_blank">http://www.partipirate.org/spip.php?article391&var_mode=preview</a><br>
><br>
> So congratulations to all those who everyday contribute to the<br>
> Pirate movement or to changing the world in any other way. Keep<br>
> going and don't get influenced by numbers.<br>
><br>
> Freely, Paul Berettoni (cmal)<br>
><br>
> ?¹? National socialism based on strong state and anti-human rights<br>
> law, following one "charismatic" leader (Marine Le Pen) would be<br>
> what I call a fascist party although it might not fit the academic<br>
> definition.<br>
><br>
> On 09/24/2013 12:07 AM, peter.boehm wrote:<br>
>> hi,<br>
><br>
>> just my two cents.<br>
><br>
>> cent one:<br>
><br>
>> we had federal elections here in germany yesterday, and recieved<br>
>> 'only' 2.2 percent. that was more than last time, back in 2009.<br>
><br>
>> last elections were quite chaotic, this one was far better<br>
>> organised, but we still failed.<br>
><br>
>> we had a wide program concerning many topics, but the program<br>
>> was set in spring. this brought no attention from the media in<br>
>> the last weeks. we had some successes in last years, entering<br>
>> some states parliaments, and the pirates there are doing good<br>
>> work - but this was no issue in media, because shortly after the<br>
>> rise in polls there came some quarrels. personal issues,<br>
>> differences in opinions, also some histories from some pirates<br>
>> who held elected positions came up in the media.<br>
><br>
>> in the last month we release many statements concerning the<br>
>> global spying from the us secret agencies, but this topic was to<br>
>> complicated for most journalists and politicians. our beloved<br>
>> chancelor merkel ignored it, following in the steps of helmut<br>
>> kohl by doing nothing and keeping calm.<br>
><br>
>> the other opposition parties made a show, the head of the<br>
>> socialdemocrats showed a f..kfinger, one head of the greenparty<br>
>> hat some historic issue. then there is a new populistic<br>
>> anti-EURO-party, which took some media attention very easy.<br>
><br>
>> so.. we did our best, but the mainstream did not notice. we have<br>
>> a stable base of supporter through the whole society, but we<br>
>> will stay out of the federal parliament for at least the next<br>
>> four years.<br>
><br>
>> this was the one cent, the other cent i'd like to mention:<br>
><br>
>> the german pirates tried to build a complete program covering<br>
>> all issues and problems. the program is really good, not biased<br>
>> by interest groups, but it is not perfect. what i personaly miss<br>
>> are some of the old 'core'-issues, back then the pirate party<br>
>> germany was foundet to -reform copyright and patents rights<br>
>> -enhance privacy for citizen -make the government more<br>
>> transparent<br>
><br>
>> the german pirates - today - have no agenda concerning patent<br>
>> rights, this is a to complicated topic to talk about. and<br>
>> transparency of governments is far away, now as the secret<br>
>> agencies have a carde blanche to do what they want.<br>
><br>
>> my best wishes go to pirate party austria (election on saturday),<br>
>> greetings, peter<br>
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