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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Come on, Dario, go have a laugh on somebody else :)<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: dario@pirata.cat<br>Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 15:22:37 +0200<br>To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] germany election<br><br><div dir="ltr">Please, keep constructive.<div><br></div><div>Try to turn negativity to actionable ideas to improve.</div></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">2013/9/25 Antonio Garcia <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com" target="_blank">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>></span><br>
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<div><div dir="ltr">That may be a clever comment, Charly, even if debatable.<br><br>But do not forget: "To be good at something, one need about ten years of good clever studying, training, trying."<br><br>I've got almost 30 years of that. The way our movement thinks it can work... I will always be outvoted by the careless fools that have gotten free reign with their simple numerical majority.<br>
<br>Supported by the foolish careerists like out Überchief who think they can manage foolish crowds to their advantage, damn logic, damn ethic, damn values, damn Statutes, and damn stupid fools.<br><br>Everyone who did nothing since the staged PPI GA in Kazan/Brussels being one of them fools.<br>
<br><br>Antonio.<br><br><br><div><hr>Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:34:38 +0200<br>From: <a href="mailto:charly.pache@gmail.com" target="_blank">charly.pache@gmail.com</a><div><div class="h5"><br>To: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net" target="_blank">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] germany election<br><br><div dir="ltr">I think as well than our movement to be successful do not need a full program. Anyway apolitic citizen don't waste their time reading it, full program is boring. We need VALUES, PROPOSALS and good AMBASSADORS who get involved into campaigns, society projects, even outside politics. The more we will do so, the more we will get media attention. Citizen vote for people they know, trust and appreciate. And we can't build this so quickly. To be good at something, one need about ten years of good clever studying, training, trying. And we have to get rid of classic party schemes. We have to act as freely connected individuals towards same goals/projects (falkvinge swarmwise). The less power concentration inside a party, the better we will succeed. Think about it every day ;)<br>
</div><div><br><br><div>On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Antonio Garcia <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com" target="_blank">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><div dir="ltr">Strange recommendation, coming from one of the least aware Germans :)<br><br>Always looking at the bright side of illusions.<br><br><br><div><hr>Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 10:42:03 +0200<br>From: <a href="mailto:squig@dfpx.de" target="_blank">squig@dfpx.de</a><div>
<br>To: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net" target="_blank">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] germany election<br><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr">
13% of Swedes are considering voting Pirates, that doesn't mean that they will (or that Piratpartiet is at 13% on the polls). It's still awesome, but lets keep our feet on the ground.<br></div><div>
<br><br><div>On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Francisco George <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:francisco.george@gmail.com" target="_blank">francisco.george@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div dir="ltr">Don't mess up elections, people don't vote the same for a city council, regional elections or a federal one the reasoning for the vote is completly different. In Sweden PiratPartiet is polling at 13% for EU elections, the double than what they got in EU elections in 2008 and a lot more that they had in their State elections.</div>
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<div><br><br><div>2013/9/24 carlo von lynX <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lynX@pirate.my.buttharp.org" target="_blank">lynX@pirate.my.buttharp.org</a>></span><br><blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div>On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 05:28:50PM +0200, Anton Nordenfur wrote:<br>
> "if you don't count the people who voted first time" is a horribly big<br>
> "if". Don't overanalyse things and try to find the worst in the results,<br>
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</div>considering that at some point in time about a 10% of the german<br>
population was willing to give some new folks a chance, it really<br>
doesn't matter if we ended up 0.2% above or below the previous<br>
result. it's a terrible crash in any case.<br>
<br>
i spent some time collecting all the criticism and analysis,<br>
especially from the press, and looking at possible solutions<br>
to the mess.. (in german of course:)<br>
<a href="https://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Wahlen/Bund/2013/Analyse" target="_blank">https://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Wahlen/Bund/2013/Analyse</a><br>
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i'll translate the rough topics:<br>
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- promise of digital participation<br>
(failure to introduce a permanent assembly)<br>
- discipline & fairness (measures to stop twitter shitstorms<br>
and suboptimal interaction with the press)<br>
- networking (ability to mobilize supporters and members)<br>
- handling of the nsa scandal situation (journalists didn't<br>
like us bashing the government about it)<br>
- better legitimation of the board<br>
- sorting out priorities in political issues (hello cal!)<br>
- definition of transparency and "social liberal"<br>
- communicate parliamentary work getting done<br>
- less folklore<br>
- strategy concerning faces in public<br>
- presence on the streets between elections<br>
- dealing with false news stories<br>
<br>
you may find some of them familiar. note that most of these<br>
points were brought up by *outside observers(!)* writing for<br>
spiegel, heise and especially golem.<br>
<br>
the good news is, there are ideas out there to handle each<br>
of the problems. all it takes is the political will and<br>
consensus to take action soon enough to save our europe<br>
2014 campaign.<br>
<br>
in fact, if we want to get going on a european scale, the<br>
german pirate party must get back on its feet in no time<br>
and make positive international press headlines before the<br>
year is thru.<br>
<br>
i firmly believe we can get back on track if the will to<br>
learn the lessons from the analysis exists. actually we<br>
could take everyone by surprise.<br>
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