<div dir="ltr">Payment is not always monetary. If coordinated a bit we could promise massive exposure to whoever wins the logo competition through Facebook fan page mentions and website links from fairly high-ranking sites.<div>
<br></div><div>The final result of the European logo is relevant for all countries participating in European Pirates and jointly they could easily send a fair amount of exposure to a winners other projects.</div><div><br>
</div><div>Kindly,</div><div>Josef<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 7:10 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pp.international.general-request@lists.pirateweb.net" target="_blank">pp.international.general-request@lists.pirateweb.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 12:49:47 +0100<br>
From: Jelena Jovanovic <<a href="mailto:jelena.the.one@gmail.com">jelena.the.one@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br>
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"Apart from the logo and corporate image designers, we are looking for<br>
creatives who would be willing to be a member of the creative<br>
committee. Since the team should be diverse, we would like to ask each<br>
party that intends to be a member of the European Pirates to try to<br>
find one volunteer (or maximum two) among their designers, publicists,<br>
media professionals, etc, that can participate in the selection<br>
committee (he or she doesn't need to be linked to the pirate party)."<br>
<br>
<br>
I have people I am working with for common good but it is very hard to<br>
enroll them in Pirate parties. first because of previously formed bad<br>
reputation (created by death threats of Aleksandar Blagojevic) and second<br>
because PP RS has no meetings so noting can be decided about new members.<br>
<br>
If you have any advice how to overcome this, please do not hesitate to<br>
share. I figured PP RS is not the only party with this kind of problem.<br>
<br>
Brgds<br>
<br>
JJ<br>
<br>
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On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Muriel Rovira Esteva <<a href="mailto:muriel@pirata.cat">muriel@pirata.cat</a>>wrote:<br>
<br>
> Dear all,<br>
><br>
> The European pirate parties gathered at the Warsaw conference, agreed<br>
> on the convenience of designating a committee of professional<br>
> creatives that organised a selection process for the logo and<br>
> corporate identity of the European Pirates.<br>
><br>
> The call for proposals has been announced this weekend (2nd and 3rd of<br>
> November) in the Common Programme meeting in Athens:<br>
><br>
> * The designers will have until the 31st of December to submit their<br>
> proposals.<br>
><br>
> * You can read below the set of rules that has been prepared for the<br>
> selection process, or also in the following link:<br>
> <a href="https://eu.piratenpad.de/ep/pad/view/ro.58lU1emocPWLpV4jrHD7BHL/rev.108" target="_blank">https://eu.piratenpad.de/ep/pad/view/ro.58lU1emocPWLpV4jrHD7BHL/rev.108</a><br>
><br>
> Please do read them thoroughly before you submit your proposal,<br>
> submissions that don't meet the technical requirements will not<br>
> qualify.<br>
><br>
> * An international committee of creative professionals may suggest<br>
> improvements to the proposals submitted before the deadline, and will<br>
> pre-select 5 logos (6 if there's a tie) that fulfil the technical<br>
> requirements, are creatively interesting, and better represent the<br>
> European Pirates values.<br>
><br>
> * When the proposal pre-selection finishes at the beginning of 2014,<br>
> the parties will have time until March to internally decide their<br>
> vote. Preferably a few weeks before the meeting in Brussels: if we<br>
> know in advance what the parties will vote, we may even be able to<br>
> have some merchandising ready for its distribution at the founding.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Apart from the logo and corporate image designers, we are looking for<br>
> creatives who would be willing to be a member of the creative<br>
> committee. Since the team should be diverse, we would like to ask each<br>
> party that intends to be a member of the European Pirates to try to<br>
> find one volunteer (or maximum two) among their designers, publicists,<br>
> media professionals, etc, that can participate in the selection<br>
> committee (he or she doesn't need to be linked to the pirate party).<br>
><br>
> Keep in mind that designers involved in the selection process cannot<br>
> submit their own proposals, so if you have an amazing logo designer,<br>
> maybe it's better to engage him/her into submitting a proposal. :)<br>
><br>
> You can contact the organisers team at:<br>
> <a href="mailto:pirates-logo@pirata.cat">pirates-logo@pirata.cat</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
><br>
> Juan Irache<br>
> Coordinator of the Organising Team<br>
><br>
> _________________________________<br>
><br>
> REGULATION<br>
><br>
> The parties that intend to found the European Pirates organise and<br>
> call for proposals for the European Pirates logo and corporate<br>
> identity selection process.<br>
><br>
> Entering the process is free and open to individuals of any nationality.<br>
><br>
> * Requirements:<br>
><br>
> Logo and corporate identity proposals must include in some way the<br>
> usual pirate party logo: a P-shaped ship sail. The concept of Europe<br>
> must also be<br>
> present. The creative interpretation of this concept is flexible. That<br>
> is: not limited to the stars or a map.<br>
><br>
> Submitted logos must include the name of the party and allow the<br>
> adaptation to any of its legal forms, acronyms and translations<br>
> (European<br>
> Pirates, European Pirate Party, PIRATES, PPEU).<br>
><br>
> It is advised to use a ratio between 1.5 *1 and 1 * 1,5.<br>
><br>
> Vectorial files of every logo version must be included in the<br>
> submission, as well as a JPG version 300 pixels wide.<br>
><br>
> Adaptation to different names, along with general use, must be<br>
> explained in a corporate identity manual. It is required to present a<br>
> colour version and a black and white one, both including negative<br>
> options. If necessary, a<br>
> complementary version for small-support situations will also be<br>
> included. The manual will also specify safety margins and examples of<br>
> correct vs. incorrect uses of the logo.<br>
><br>
> The manual will explain how to use the whole corporate identity in<br>
> physical and digital supports (letters, websites, etc).<br>
><br>
> Included typographies must be freely accessible and legally usable,<br>
> without financial costs or need for attribution.<br>
><br>
> Documents that will be taken into account during the voting process<br>
> are: a 300 pixels wide JPG version of the logo and the PDF corporate<br>
> identity manual.<br>
><br>
> Designers have to submit their proposals to <a href="mailto:pirates-logo@pirata.cat">pirates-logo@pirata.cat</a>.<br>
><br>
> * Selection:<br>
><br>
> A committee formed by international creatives will pre-select 5 logos<br>
> (6 if a tie is reached) that fulfil the technical requirements, are<br>
> creatively interesting and better represent the values of the European<br>
> Pirates.<br>
><br>
> The members of this committee are not allowed to submit their own<br>
> proposals.<br>
><br>
> The parties that intend to found the European Pirates will assess the<br>
> pre-selected proposals and decide their preference internally. Their<br>
> votes will be made official at the European Pirates Founding<br>
> Conference in Brussels (March 2014).<br>
><br>
> * Deadlines:<br>
><br>
> The submission deadline is December 31 2013. However, it is highly<br>
> recommended to submit proposals before December 15. That way, the<br>
> creative committee will assess the submissions and prepare<br>
> recommendations so that participating designers can improve their<br>
> proposals before the deadline.<br>
><br>
> * Legal:<br>
><br>
> By taking part in the selection process, designers refuse financial<br>
> compensation. They sign over the rights of public communication,<br>
> direct and indirect reproduction, distribution and transformation to<br>
> European Pirates for the use of the work in every communication mode<br>
> and in any network, for an unlimited period of time. Designers also<br>
> state that they are the only authors of the submitted work and any<br>
> pre-existing content has been used with an appropriate permission.<br>
><br>
> The organisers decline any responsibility in case of bad or no<br>
> reception of the contents, for any reason, as well as in case of<br>
> Internet or email malfunctions that hider the correct development of<br>
> the process.<br>
><br>
> The organisers the right to modify or even cancel the selection<br>
> process without notice in the case of force majeure that prevents the<br>
> purposes of the process from being reached. This includes own and<br>
> external technical problems. Likewise, the organisers reserve the<br>
> right to modify, after notification, the present process regulation<br>
> and to settle, to their best judgement, any situation not provided in<br>
> the present regulation.<br>
><br>
> Participation in the selection process implies full acceptance of the<br>
> present regulation.<br>
> ____________________________________________________<br>
> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 14:10:36 +0100<br>
From: Muriel Rovira Esteva <<a href="mailto:muriel@pirata.cat">muriel@pirata.cat</a>><br>
To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br>
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Hello,<br>
<br>
Well, in Pirates de Catalunya we organised an ad video festival to select<br>
our campaign video ( <a href="http://fap.pirata.cat/" target="_blank">http://fap.pirata.cat/</a> ) and there was a mixed jury<br>
composed by Amelia, two members of pirate party boards, a movie critic, two<br>
movie directors, and a famous copyright lawyer (<br>
<a href="http://fap.pirata.cat/jurado/" target="_blank">http://fap.pirata.cat/jurado/</a> ). As far as I know, none of the last four<br>
members of the jury had anything to do with any pirate party.<br>
<br>
I don't see why this would be different. You can be involved in a selection<br>
process without being part of that orgnisation. This is just a technical<br>
decision on what design and corporate image better conveys the goals of the<br>
organisation, it does not mean that you endorse the European Pirates or<br>
agree with it.<br>
<br>
The difference in this case is that, instead of a mixed jury, we have a two<br>
stage process: the technical commission and then the assemblies. This way<br>
all pirates can participate choosing the logo, and not just three. :)<br>
<br>
Personally, the main problem I see is finding people who would be willing<br>
to do this for free. I can see someone who might find interesting to add in<br>
his/her CV that they were asked to participate in the selection comittee<br>
bla bla bla... I have done things for free sometimes to add them to my CV.<br>
Or maybe someone would do it as a favour, just because we know them and ask<br>
them to do it. For the ad video festival in Pirates de Catalunya, this was<br>
arranged by Juan, the organiser, who used his personal contacts within his<br>
profession and asked them to help us. That's why I assume in this case it<br>
will be people we know as well. :)<br>
<br>
However, I don't think the fact that the logo is for a party should be a<br>
problem for professionals not affiliated to the party to help us choose it.<br>
:)<br>
<br>
Greetings,<br>
<br>
Muriel<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
2013/11/8 Jelena Jovanovic <<a href="mailto:jelena.the.one@gmail.com">jelena.the.one@gmail.com</a>><br>
<br>
> "Apart from the logo and corporate image designers, we are looking for<br>
> creatives who would be willing to be a member of the creative<br>
> committee. Since the team should be diverse, we would like to ask each<br>
> party that intends to be a member of the European Pirates to try to<br>
> find one volunteer (or maximum two) among their designers, publicists,<br>
> media professionals, etc, that can participate in the selection<br>
> committee (he or she doesn't need to be linked to the pirate party)."<br>
><br>
><br>
> I have people I am working with for common good but it is very hard to<br>
> enroll them in Pirate parties. first because of previously formed bad<br>
> reputation (created by death threats of Aleksandar Blagojevic) and second<br>
> because PP RS has no meetings so noting can be decided about new members.<br>
><br>
> If you have any advice how to overcome this, please do not hesitate to<br>
> share. I figured PP RS is not the only party with this kind of problem.<br>
><br>
> Brgds<br>
><br>
> JJ<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Muriel Rovira Esteva <<a href="mailto:muriel@pirata.cat">muriel@pirata.cat</a>>wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Dear all,<br>
>><br>
>> The European pirate parties gathered at the Warsaw conference, agreed<br>
>> on the convenience of designating a committee of professional<br>
>> creatives that organised a selection process for the logo and<br>
>> corporate identity of the European Pirates.<br>
>><br>
>> The call for proposals has been announced this weekend (2nd and 3rd of<br>
>> November) in the Common Programme meeting in Athens:<br>
>><br>
>> * The designers will have until the 31st of December to submit their<br>
>> proposals.<br>
>><br>
>> * You can read below the set of rules that has been prepared for the<br>
>> selection process, or also in the following link:<br>
>> <a href="https://eu.piratenpad.de/ep/pad/view/ro.58lU1emocPWLpV4jrHD7BHL/rev.108" target="_blank">https://eu.piratenpad.de/ep/pad/view/ro.58lU1emocPWLpV4jrHD7BHL/rev.108</a><br>
>><br>
>> Please do read them thoroughly before you submit your proposal,<br>
>> submissions that don't meet the technical requirements will not<br>
>> qualify.<br>
>><br>
>> * An international committee of creative professionals may suggest<br>
>> improvements to the proposals submitted before the deadline, and will<br>
>> pre-select 5 logos (6 if there's a tie) that fulfil the technical<br>
>> requirements, are creatively interesting, and better represent the<br>
>> European Pirates values.<br>
>><br>
>> * When the proposal pre-selection finishes at the beginning of 2014,<br>
>> the parties will have time until March to internally decide their<br>
>> vote. Preferably a few weeks before the meeting in Brussels: if we<br>
>> know in advance what the parties will vote, we may even be able to<br>
>> have some merchandising ready for its distribution at the founding.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Apart from the logo and corporate image designers, we are looking for<br>
>> creatives who would be willing to be a member of the creative<br>
>> committee. Since the team should be diverse, we would like to ask each<br>
>> party that intends to be a member of the European Pirates to try to<br>
>> find one volunteer (or maximum two) among their designers, publicists,<br>
>> media professionals, etc, that can participate in the selection<br>
>> committee (he or she doesn't need to be linked to the pirate party).<br>
>><br>
>> Keep in mind that designers involved in the selection process cannot<br>
>> submit their own proposals, so if you have an amazing logo designer,<br>
>> maybe it's better to engage him/her into submitting a proposal. :)<br>
>><br>
>> You can contact the organisers team at:<br>
>> <a href="mailto:pirates-logo@pirata.cat">pirates-logo@pirata.cat</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Best regards,<br>
>><br>
>> Juan Irache<br>
>> Coordinator of the Organising Team<br>
>><br>
>> _________________________________<br>
>><br>
>> REGULATION<br>
>><br>
>> The parties that intend to found the European Pirates organise and<br>
>> call for proposals for the European Pirates logo and corporate<br>
>> identity selection process.<br>
>><br>
>> Entering the process is free and open to individuals of any nationality.<br>
>><br>
>> * Requirements:<br>
>><br>
>> Logo and corporate identity proposals must include in some way the<br>
>> usual pirate party logo: a P-shaped ship sail. The concept of Europe<br>
>> must also be<br>
>> present. The creative interpretation of this concept is flexible. That<br>
>> is: not limited to the stars or a map.<br>
>><br>
>> Submitted logos must include the name of the party and allow the<br>
>> adaptation to any of its legal forms, acronyms and translations<br>
>> (European<br>
>> Pirates, European Pirate Party, PIRATES, PPEU).<br>
>><br>
>> It is advised to use a ratio between 1.5 *1 and 1 * 1,5.<br>
>><br>
>> Vectorial files of every logo version must be included in the<br>
>> submission, as well as a JPG version 300 pixels wide.<br>
>><br>
>> Adaptation to different names, along with general use, must be<br>
>> explained in a corporate identity manual. It is required to present a<br>
>> colour version and a black and white one, both including negative<br>
>> options. If necessary, a<br>
>> complementary version for small-support situations will also be<br>
>> included. The manual will also specify safety margins and examples of<br>
>> correct vs. incorrect uses of the logo.<br>
>><br>
>> The manual will explain how to use the whole corporate identity in<br>
>> physical and digital supports (letters, websites, etc).<br>
>><br>
>> Included typographies must be freely accessible and legally usable,<br>
>> without financial costs or need for attribution.<br>
>><br>
>> Documents that will be taken into account during the voting process<br>
>> are: a 300 pixels wide JPG version of the logo and the PDF corporate<br>
>> identity manual.<br>
>><br>
>> Designers have to submit their proposals to <a href="mailto:pirates-logo@pirata.cat">pirates-logo@pirata.cat</a>.<br>
>><br>
>> * Selection:<br>
>><br>
>> A committee formed by international creatives will pre-select 5 logos<br>
>> (6 if a tie is reached) that fulfil the technical requirements, are<br>
>> creatively interesting and better represent the values of the European<br>
>> Pirates.<br>
>><br>
>> The members of this committee are not allowed to submit their own<br>
>> proposals.<br>
>><br>
>> The parties that intend to found the European Pirates will assess the<br>
>> pre-selected proposals and decide their preference internally. Their<br>
>> votes will be made official at the European Pirates Founding<br>
>> Conference in Brussels (March 2014).<br>
>><br>
>> * Deadlines:<br>
>><br>
>> The submission deadline is December 31 2013. However, it is highly<br>
>> recommended to submit proposals before December 15. That way, the<br>
>> creative committee will assess the submissions and prepare<br>
>> recommendations so that participating designers can improve their<br>
>> proposals before the deadline.<br>
>><br>
>> * Legal:<br>
>><br>
>> By taking part in the selection process, designers refuse financial<br>
>> compensation. They sign over the rights of public communication,<br>
>> direct and indirect reproduction, distribution and transformation to<br>
>> European Pirates for the use of the work in every communication mode<br>
>> and in any network, for an unlimited period of time. Designers also<br>
>> state that they are the only authors of the submitted work and any<br>
>> pre-existing content has been used with an appropriate permission.<br>
>><br>
>> The organisers decline any responsibility in case of bad or no<br>
>> reception of the contents, for any reason, as well as in case of<br>
>> Internet or email malfunctions that hider the correct development of<br>
>> the process.<br>
>><br>
>> The organisers the right to modify or even cancel the selection<br>
>> process without notice in the case of force majeure that prevents the<br>
>> purposes of the process from being reached. This includes own and<br>
>> external technical problems. Likewise, the organisers reserve the<br>
>> right to modify, after notification, the present process regulation<br>
>> and to settle, to their best judgement, any situation not provided in<br>
>> the present regulation.<br>
>><br>
>> Participation in the selection process implies full acceptance of the<br>
>> present regulation.<br>
>> ____________________________________________________<br>
>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
><br>
><br>
> email: <a href="mailto:jelena.jovanovic@pp-international.net">jelena.jovanovic@pp-international.net</a><br>
> Twitter: @Miss_Cybernaut<br>
> Skype: [image: Skype/] jjpress About me: <a href="http://about.me/cybernaut" target="_blank">about.me/cybernaut</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><b>International Contact for PPSE</b><br>Contact me for any questions/concerns or if you need to get hold of someone in Piratpartiet or internationally.<div>
<br><div><i>Other contact:</i></div><div>mail: <a href="mailto:international@piratpartiet.se" target="_blank">international@piratpartiet.se</a></div><div>Twitter: @collentine<div>Skype: josef.ohlsson.collentine (only important conversations)</div>
<div>Cel: +52 55 48 23 52 83<span> (text me, if urgent)</span><br></div></div></div></div>
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