<p>Lmfao "psyops". This Nutter has gone full-blown Infowars crazy yet people still put up with his shit.</p>
<p>All hail the Lizard Race that runs the PPI!!!</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 27, 2014 8:09 PM, "Andrew Norton" <<a href="mailto:ktetch@gmail.com">ktetch@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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On 3/27/2014 7:00 PM, Gregory Engels wrote:<br>
> Dear Andrew,<br>
><br>
> Sorry to destroy your conspiracy theory, but the GA was announced officially (this counts as invitation) many months ago.<br>
><br>
Care to point to the announcement?<br>
I've just looked through this list for the words 'paris' or 'conference'<br>
and found ZERO.<br>
I've looked on the PPI site (<a href="http://pp-international.net/" target="_blank">http://pp-international.net/</a>) and that page<br>
goes back to January 2013, and nothing.<br>
<br>
I even went through the Leaders list, and the only reference there is a<br>
mail from Thomas Gaul August 7 2013, announcing that Paris has been<br>
chosen as the venue, but no details beyond that.<br>
<br>
Now, I've looked at the wiki too, and until 2 days ago<br>
(<a href="http://wiki.pp-international.net/wiki/index.php?title=PPI_Conference_2014&diff=361462&oldid=361427" target="_blank">http://wiki.pp-international.net/wiki/index.php?title=PPI_Conference_2014&diff=361462&oldid=361427</a>),<br>
there was very little there too.<br>
You did change the date in December<br>
(<a href="http://wiki.pp-international.net/wiki/index.php?title=PPI_Conference_2014&diff=361427&oldid=361313" target="_blank">http://wiki.pp-international.net/wiki/index.php?title=PPI_Conference_2014&diff=361427&oldid=361313</a>),<br>
so that means any announcement would have come after that.<br>
<br>
Simple question, WHERE?<br>
<br>
It's not on the website, not on this list, not on the leaders list, and<br>
until 2 days ago the last time the page had been touched was 3 months<br>
ago to change the date.<br>
<br>
So again, where, in the last 3 months, has there been ANY OFFICIAL<br>
ANNOUNCEMENT? Not even the announcements required by the Statutes, but<br>
any at all?<br>
<br>
It might be an idea to find that (which doesn't seem to exist) before<br>
claiming it's a conspiracy.<br>
<br>
I even checked the 'not affiliated with PPI' PirateTimes, and saw the<br>
announcement of ThinkTwice on there<br>
(<a href="http://piratetimes.net/thinktwice-conference-2014-away-from-keyboard/" target="_blank">http://piratetimes.net/thinktwice-conference-2014-away-from-keyboard/</a>)<br>
but I've gone back to November there (remember, date changed on the wiki<br>
in late December) and nothing.<br>
<br>
So, again, finally, WHAT NOTIFICATION.<br>
<br>
In fact, I've been looking over the minutes of the PPI Board (the last<br>
one was mid-feb -<br>
<a href="http://wiki.pp-international.net/PPI_Minutes_2014-02-18#10_General_Assembly_2014" target="_blank">http://wiki.pp-international.net/PPI_Minutes_2014-02-18#10_General_Assembly_2014</a><br>
- - and doesn't seem to have been another, again violation of the<br>
statutes, but what's new there) and it notes that there were deadlines<br>
for amendments and membership applications that were 2 weeks ago. Again,<br>
I've seen no notice, or information of this either.<br>
And the previous meeting<br>
(<a href="http://wiki.pp-international.net/PPI_Minutes_2014-01-21#5_General_Assembly_2014" target="_blank">http://wiki.pp-international.net/PPI_Minutes_2014-01-21#5_General_Assembly_2014</a>)<br>
says the details weren't set then either.<br>
<br>
As I write this, I'm checking and finding more and more 'changes' to the<br>
plans. Based on this meeting minutes, it's pretty clear that there was<br>
no solid plan for this event as recently as 2 months ago. So, Now we<br>
need an announcement in the last 2 months. I've even narrowed the time<br>
frame for it, aren't I nice.<br>
<br>
Now, think VERY carefully before you respond, and instead of your<br>
'psyops' (you know, what you usually do when confronted with your<br>
misdeeds, start throwing out personal attacks and accusations) try doing<br>
the PIRATE thing, and respond with some nice links, showing these<br>
announcements. Shouldn't be too hard to do, right? Thus there's no need<br>
to respond with anything other than the links, since they should be able<br>
to speak for themselves. Am I right, people?<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
> This email is just the reminder.<br>
><br>
> Gregory Engels<br>
> International Coordinator<br>
> Pirate Party of Germany<br>
><br>
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><br>
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> On 27.03.2014, at 23:55, Andrew Norton <<a href="mailto:ktetch@gmail.com">ktetch@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Signed PGP part<br>
>> Just as a point of order, isn't this a bit late?<br>
>><br>
>> Statutes say"<br>
>> (Statute IX(7) Meetings of the General Assembly will be announced at<br>
>> least five weeks prior to the meeting. The invitation will be sent out<br>
>> by the Board to all Members and published on the homepage of Pirate<br>
>> Parties International website."<br>
>><br>
>> it's now just over TWO, not 5.<br>
>><br>
>> Thus I can't see how this can be now considered a valid GA under the<br>
>> statutes.<br>
>> Sorry.<br>
>><br>
>> It's not as if it wasn't basically pre-planned back last summer. But,<br>
>> the statutes are EXPLICIT on this. That the Board failed (yet again) in<br>
>> their required duties.<br>
>><br>
>> As best I can tell, the earliest date right now that meets the Statutes<br>
>> will be the weekend of the 3rd of May. I'm pretty sure we can organise<br>
>> an online-only GA for then, right people? I mean we ARE the party of the<br>
>> technologist, can't manage that, then might as well not bother.<br>
>><br>
>> Of course, for many of us, that's only a week or two before the EU<br>
>> elections, so going to be difficult for a lot of us to find the value<br>
>> in bureaucratic ego-stroking at that time, so perhaps the weekend of May<br>
>> 31st?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> But yeah, under the statutes, this is clearly a no-go.<br>
>><br>
>> Andrew<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 3/27/2014 6:40 PM, Gregory Engels wrote:<br>
>>> *Please forward this invitation to whom it may concern*<br>
>>> *<br>
>>> *<br>
>>> *Invitation PPI Conference Paris 12th/13th of April*<br>
>>><br>
>>> Dear Pirates,<br>
>>><br>
>>> we would like to invite you to the 2014 Pirate Parties International<br>
>>> Conference which will be held on April 12th and 13st in Paris, France.<br>
>>> During this conference, the General Assembly - PPI's highest body - will<br>
>>> decide upon<br>
>>><br>
>>> * the admittance of new members to the PPI,<br>
>>><br>
>>> * elect a new board and<br>
>>><br>
>>> * discuss and vote on amendments to the PPI statutes.<br>
>>><br>
>>> The preliminary timetable can be found at the end of this message.<br>
>>><br>
>>> *Open Space: Emerging Issues for the Global Society*<br>
>>> The world is on fire, democracy under pressure more than ever and all<br>
>>> the trends, that the Pirateparties warned about are getting worse by the<br>
>>> minute. We want to and have to raise our voices on these gloabl issues<br>
>>> in a constructive way.<br>
>>> In that spirit of maintaining communication and co-operation between<br>
>>> Pirate Parties around the world an Open Space event workshop is planned<br>
>>> to be held on the first day of the conference. Open Space Technology is<br>
>>> a powerful tool that allows to handle the most complex matters with the<br>
>>> ease of a coffee break, and will allow us to take a glance at the future<br>
>>> of the PPI and our visibility in the world. For this session we have<br>
>>> picked the theme „Emerging Issues for the Global Society“. Be ready to<br>
>>> immerse in this topic in dynamic, high-energetic environment.<br>
>>><br>
>>> *Everybody welcome*<br>
>>> Each PPI member can register up to 6 persons as official delegates (PPI<br>
>>> Statutes IX.4), but all Pirates and interested persons are very welcome<br>
>>> to join as guests.<br>
>>><br>
>>> *Delegates: Please follow Rules of Procedure*<br>
>>> According to the standing Rules of Procedure, all local and remote<br>
>>> delegates must present written authorization from a member of their<br>
>>> respective board unless they are designated International Coordinator or<br>
>>> equivalent on their parties official website. Each person may represent<br>
>>> as a delegate no more than 2 parties. (PPI RoP Art.1 §4) We kindly ask<br>
>>> the delegates to present such accreditation in advance, in order to<br>
>>> speed up the conference proceeding. This is especially true for remote<br>
>>> delegations, as we would like to connect you with your designated local<br>
>>> proxy for technical set-up.<br>
>>><br>
>>> *Registration*<br>
>>> To register for the conference please fill in the form<br>
>>> at <a href="http://ppinternational.eventbrite.com" target="_blank">http://ppinternational.eventbrite.com</a><br>
>>> <<a href="http://ppinternational.eventbrite.com/" target="_blank">http://ppinternational.eventbrite.com/</a>> or send in an email to<br>
>>> conference (at) <a href="http://pp-international.net" target="_blank">pp-international.net</a> <<a href="http://pp-international.net" target="_blank">http://pp-international.net</a>><br>
>>><br>
>>> *Pay what you ... well: can*<br>
>>> This time we do not ask for a participation fee for the conference (for<br>
>>> the past conferences we had fees between 25 and 70 Euro) - but instead<br>
>>> we will use the „pay what you want“ model. As the event does cost a lot<br>
>>> - please pay, even if it's just a little :-)<br>
>>><br>
>>> *Official business*<br>
>>> The General Assembly will also elect a new board and other officers of<br>
>>> PPI. Candidates should either submit their application<br>
>>> to <a href="http://wiki.pp-international.net/PPI_Conference_2014/Board_candidatures" target="_blank">http://wiki.pp-international.net/PPI_Conference_2014/Board_candidatures</a> or<br>
>>> e-mail their application to board (at) pp-international (dot) net.<br>
>>><br>
>>> The deadline for submitting proposals for amendments to PPI Statutes was<br>
>>> March 14th 23:59 CET. Please consult the submitted proposals<br>
>>> at: <a href="http://wiki.pp-international.net/PPI_Conference_2014/Statutes_Amendments" target="_blank">http://wiki.pp-international.net/PPI_Conference_2014/Statutes_Amendments</a> Other<br>
>>> motions do not have a deadline and can be found<br>
>>> here: <a href="http://wiki.pp-international.net/PPI_Conference_2014/Other_proposals" target="_blank">http://wiki.pp-international.net/PPI_Conference_2014/Other_proposals</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> For further information concerning the 2012 PPI conference you can<br>
>>> visit <a href="http://wiki.pp-international.net/PPI_Conference_2014" target="_blank">http://wiki.pp-international.net/PPI_Conference_2014</a> or contact<br>
>>> the Board at <a href="mailto:board@pp-international.net">board@pp-international.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:board@pp-international.net">board@pp-international.net</a>>.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Kind regards,<br>
>>><br>
>>> the Board of the PPI<br>
>>><br>
>>> ==<br>
>>> Preliminary timetable:<br>
>>><br>
>>> 11. April 2014 - Friday<br>
>>><br>
>>> 19:00 - Social event<br>
>>><br>
>>> 12. April 2014 - Saturday<br>
>>><br>
>>> 09:00 Delegates accreditation<br>
>>> 10:00 Opening of the conference<br>
>>><br>
>>> 20:00 Social event<br>
>>><br>
>>> 13. April 2014 - Sunday<br>
>>><br>
>>> 10:00 Conference reopen<br>
>>> General Assembly<br>
>>> * Admittance of new PPI Members<br>
>>> * Reports PPI officers (board, court, lay auditors)<br>
>>> * Elections of PPI officers (board, court, lay auditors)<br>
>>> * Motions and Statutes Amendments<br>
>>> * Issue of statements<br>
>>> * Press Conference<br>
>>> 18:00 Official Conference End<br>
>>><br>
>>> (*) all official events will be streamed<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> ____________________________________________________<br>
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>>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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