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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Zbigniev,<br><br>Maybe you should start really sorting out WHICH ideas are REALLY the pirate ones, and which, however reasonable or even not... are NOT.<br><br>Fucking own Statutes, Rules of Procedure, and any previous agreement without due process... can NEVER be Pirate.<br><br>Deciding that whatever you want, or whatever majority wants, at any time, is what has to be... is not very piratey.<br><br>Direct democracy... may be pirate... if the majority behaves intelligently, otherwise it is what we have NOW... mob rule.<br><br>It is very hard to UNDO stupid errors... if you have unorganized yourself to the point that you commit 5 new ones before you solve any at all.<br><br><br>And looking at the situation and deciding to be bastardly pragmatic (yes, I mean you, the few... how did @Thomas1G call them recently, ah, yeah, "profis") is sadly NO PIRATE SOLUTION.<br><br>Pirates is just an IDIOCRACY run by a few ruthless bastards, helped by a lot of ignorant idiots.<br><br><br>I would have forked it... if only I had found enough people worth the try.<br><br><br>Antonio.<br><br><br><div>> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 15:20:42 +0100<br>> From: zzbbyy@gmail.com<br>> To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> Subject: [pp.int.general] Cooperation with NGOs<br>> <br>> Computer Chaos Club<br>> Quadrature du Net<br>> FFII<br>> FSF<br>> ISOC (not everywhere - but for example in Poland ISOC has very close<br>> ideas to us and I am a member of it)<br>> And many others.<br>> <br>> These are organisations that have mostly the same goals as we do - but<br>> they prefer different ways of reaching them. They are often very<br>> successful in that and have respect of the mainstream media.<br>> <br>> How is your relationship with them?<br>> <br>> What I observe in Poland is that sometimes it is indeed very difficult<br>> to meet their high standards. But all the criticism we have received<br>> from them was deserved.<br>> <br>> I find it very troubling when I hear that this or that NGO activist is<br>> critical about pirates. I think it is a reality check - if we cannot<br>> win trust from the people that have the same goals and ideas as us -<br>> then how can we dream about winning trust from the voters?<br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> Zbigniew Lukasiak<br>> http://brudnopis.blogspot.com/<br>> http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/<br>> ____________________________________________________<br>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br></div> </div></body>
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