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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>After <a href="http://samedokan.wordpress.com/2014/05/10/when-pirates-do-prefer-censorship/" target="_blank">http://samedokan.wordpress.com/2014/05/10/when-pirates-do-prefer-censorship/</a> finally finds a proper and decent solution.<br><br>Before, anything anybody tries will be utterly pointless.<br><br>Because WE all have been playing with ALL our CORE VALUES recklessly... there.<br><br><br>Antonio.<br><br><div>> Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 13:07:46 +0200<br>> From: zzbbyy@gmail.com<br>> To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> Subject: [pp.int.general] A consensus experiment as a partial answer to the Pirate Communication Problem.<br>> <br>> Copied from the workpad at:<br>> http://pad.polskapartiapiratow.pl/p/ConsensusExperiment<br>> <br>> <br>> # Problem (http://pad.polskapartiapiratow.pl/p/PirateCommunicationProblem)<br>> <br>> There is a severe deficiency of communication between the pirate parties:<br>> <br>> * at the General Assemblies of PPI we don't have enough time to talk<br>> about everything<br>> <br>> * the general mailing list does not work - because lack of rules makes the<br>> discussion chaotic<br>> <br>> * the leaders mailing list and Liquid Feedback setup by Nuno look desert<br>> <br>> * the local forums are often locked down now<br>> <br>> ## Proposal 1: consensus deliberative group experiment (zby)<br>> <br>> A consensus based deliberative group (committee?) that would gather opinions<br>> from all pirate parties and work on what is the common core among them.<br>> <br>> It will be immediately useful for:<br>> <br>> * organizing coordinated actions (mostly protests, but also actions<br>> like welcoming Snowden etc.)<br>> <br>> * working on common program core (the European common core program is<br>> very useful for small parties and it should be copied worldwide)<br>> <br>> * making common declarations<br>> <br>> * maybe working on PPI statutes<br>> <br>> After we get it running we can also work on more difficult stuff like<br>> establishing what it really means to be a pirate party.<br>> <br>> ### Known issues<br>> <br>> To get there we need to meet two conflicting requirements.<br>> <br>> * The group cannot be too big - so that we can work with the classical<br>> consensus protocol (based on ideas like:<br>> http://www.starhawk.org/activism/trainer-resources/consensus.html),<br>> and it needs to have a well defined boundary (rule #1 in 8 rules for<br>> governance of the commons by Ostrom<br>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elinor_Ostrom ). I think the Dunbar<br>> Number that is 120 would make a hard limit.<br>> <br>> * and it needs to include at least participants from all (legitimate)<br>> pirate parties<br>> <br>> ### Plan<br>> <br>> All more concrete rules would be established by the group<br>> itself. I believe that if we make good rules we can avoid the problems<br>> that afflict the other communication channels. We can start using emails<br>> and pads - and then choose our own communication infrastructure.<br>> <br>> All this will require some work from all participants - we need<br>> volunteers that can regularly dedicate some of their time to<br>> communicate with the group and with local parties and work on the issues.<br>> <br>> Anyone interested?<br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> Zbigniew Lukasiak<br>> http://brudnopis.blogspot.com/<br>> http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/<br>> ____________________________________________________<br>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br></div> </div></body>
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