<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Keep things simple,<br><br></div>First 'need' : <br>- a list of contacts that can reply to enquiries and can direct questions to the proper 'bureau's/work-groups/teams/or short: the responsible ones' acting as the human interface in organisational structures (pirate parties).<br>
</div>This would be obvious the international coordination.<br><br></div>- This creates the task of (minimal) one person keeping the obtained list up to date and do a 'ping' from time to time to see if the human interface still responds.<br>
- The Pirate Times could ideally fulfil this function and at the same time ask if there is any news ;)<br><br></div><div>- Another task of-course would be to pro-actively look for these contacts when absent and if necessary insisting on reminding this pirate group.<br>
- The PPI could fulfil this function and has a team (just starting).</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>Second need ;<br></div>- have a list of contacts that have 'acting competence'. Meaning an international coordinator (team) with 'power' to directly interact (sort of a voting competence / vote of confidence).<br>
</div>- This creates the task of keeping this list up to date and checking if the mandate is still valid.<br></div><div>- A dedicated work-group preferably separate from the PPI would be recommended. The PP-EU would be a good (although still early to be sure) example of the form required.<br>
</div><div><br></div>Second bis need :<br></div>- Determine which platform(s) can provide to be the communication-tool for all (other) pirates.<br>- The PPI could fulfil this function and has a team (just starting).<br></div>
- Etcetera.<br><br><br></div><div>My 2cents<br></div>Have a nice weekend ;)<br><div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 15 May 2014 17:01, Betiel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:betielix@gmail.com" target="_blank">betielix@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">like the idea. Still is needed those Ships (That`s how we call groups of interest in the Argentine pirate party) to be coordinated in some way.<div>
Meaning: the existence of each group must be known to all parties and if they are created as list must be at least some with administrative rights. </div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-05-15 11:48 GMT-03:00 Andreas Czák <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Sonstwer@piratenpartei.at" target="_blank">Sonstwer@piratenpartei.at</a>></span>:<div>
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I've posted a counter proposal in your pad<br>
<br>
<a href="http://pad.polskapartiapiratow.pl/p/CommunicationChannels" target="_blank">http://pad.polskapartiapiratow.pl/p/CommunicationChannels</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
#Counter Proposal:<br>
<br>
Identify the interests of local pirate organisations (and
people)<br>
create channels based on the same interests<br>
-> leads to international working groups on specific tasks<br>
-> reduces the information overflow on coordinators<br>
-> makes it easier to work on specific tasks and topics rather
than having to read ALL the international communication<br>
<br>
Reason for me is: There're sooo many mails and i'm not able to read
them all<br>
in order to get things done we must split communication based on
topics, doing so will enable more pirates to work together on the
things they're interested in<br>
<br>
Greets<br>
Andreas "Sonstwer" Czák<br>
#PPAT - Member of the intl. Delegates - Pirate Party Austria<br>
@Sonstwer<br>
<br>
<br>
Am 15.05.2014 14:33, schrieb seykron:<div><div><br>
<span style="white-space:pre-wrap">> Great idea!<br>
><br>
> I did create a PAD to work on this proposal (aka collect
communication<br>
> channels):<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://pad.polskapartiapiratow.pl/p/CommunicationChannels" target="_blank">http://pad.polskapartiapiratow.pl/p/CommunicationChannels</a><br>
><br>
> Josef, could you add all communication channels you know? And
could you<br>
> send the pad to other people that may know about more
communication<br>
> channels?<br>
><br>
> Thanks!<br>
><br>
> Matías<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, 15 May 2014 11:20:09 +0200<br>
> Josef Ohlsson Collentine
<a href="mailto:international@piratpartiet.se" target="_blank"><international@piratpartiet.se></a> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hi Zbigniew,<br>
>><br>
>> agree but first step is always doing inventory of current
channels.<br>
>><br>
>> There's already a plethora of mailing-lists, facebook
groups, ppi work<br>
>> groups etc<br>
>><br>
>> Several of which have tried doing part of what you want.
Would be more<br>
>> useful if someone had the possibility of listing all of
them and we<br>
>> could start analyzing where they went wrong before we
start "yet<br>
>> another" mail list.<br>
>><br>
>> Kindly,<br>
>> Josef<br>
>><br>
>> *International Contact for PPSE*<br>
>> Contact me for any questions/concerns or if you need to
get hold of<br>
>> someone in Piratpartiet or internationally.<br>
>><br>
>> *Other contact:*<br>
>> mail: <a href="mailto:international@piratpartiet.se" target="_blank">international@piratpartiet.se</a><br>
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>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 6:22 PM, <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general-request@lists.pirateweb.net" target="_blank">pp.international.general-request@lists.pirateweb.net</a>>
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>>> 1. Re: Worrying tendency regarding our message
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>>> 2. A consensus experiment as a partial answer to
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>>> Message: 1<br>
>>> Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 10:15:32 +0000<br>
>>> From: Antonio Garcia <a href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com" target="_blank"><ningunotro@hotmail.com></a><br>
>>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br>
>>>
<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net" target="_blank"><pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net></a>, "<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:hyazinthe@emailn.de" target="_blank">hyazinthe@emailn.de</a>"<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:hyazinthe@emailn.de" target="_blank"><hyazinthe@emailn.de></a><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Worrying tendency
regarding our<br>
>>> message board policies<br>
>>> Message-ID:
<a href="mailto:DUB119-W51F9EC7ACB25BC00CD92F8DC370@phx.gbl" target="_blank"><DUB119-W51F9EC7ACB25BC00CD92F8DC370@phx.gbl></a><br>
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>>><br>
>>> Too late for that, my dear...<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>
<a href="http://samedokan.wordpress.com/2014/05/10/when-pirates-do-prefer-censorship/" target="_blank">http://samedokan.wordpress.com/2014/05/10/when-pirates-do-prefer-censorship/</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 03:01:10 +0200<br>
>>> From: <a href="mailto:evilteddyxl@gmail.com" target="_blank">evilteddyxl@gmail.com</a><br>
>>> To: <a href="mailto:hyazinthe@emailn.de" target="_blank">hyazinthe@emailn.de</a>;<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net" target="_blank">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a> Subject:
Re:<br>
>>> [pp.int.general] Worrying tendency regarding our
message board<br>
>>> policies<br>
>>><br>
>>> Fully agreed and I notice this development too. In
The Netherlands<br>
>>> there are strong advocates of similar measures, but
luckily these<br>
>>> measures have not been put into effect yet
*officially* (and as<br>
>>> such, are not enforced or widely employed at all).<br>
>>><br>
>>> For me, a pirate party is not about gaining seats or
getting into<br>
>>> city councils. It is about achieving our ideals. I
don't care if<br>
>>> that's through getting into legislature bodies
through elections,<br>
>>> or spreading awareness amongst the people, or through
setting up<br>
>>> protests. I don't care at all. The core of it always
is that we<br>
>>> want to have certain ideals be embedded into law and
into<br>
>>> governmental and economic conduct. There are various
ways to do<br>
>>> this, none being strongly better than the other. Each
have their<br>
>>> cons and pros.<br>
>>><br>
>>> As one of our core ideals is openness, transparancy
and such, we<br>
>>> should also employ this into the Pirate Party itself.
Having no<br>
>>> proper public lists is directly in violation of this
core<br>
>>> principle. If we abandon this core principle, it is a
slippery<br>
>>> slope which will eventually make us no different than
the generic<br>
>>> yet another political party.<br>
>>><br>
>>> There will always be trollls. Just learn to live with
the flaming<br>
>>> wars or shitstorms they cause periodically. And when
worried about<br>
>>> leaking abuses of power or such to public lists (I
have done so<br>
>>> several times, in one case even receiving threats of
various<br>
>>> magnitudes including a very nice piece of paper
filled with threats<br>
>>> in legal jargon from the board which i immediatelly
consigned to no<br>
>>> more value as toilet paper.), the first thing you
should consider<br>
>>> then that when there are no abuses taking place, they
can't be<br>
>>> leaked to the public lists (or even for that matter,
the press,<br>
>>> which is generally even more undesirable).<br>
>>><br>
>>> Keep in mind that if you don't adhere to core
principles, you are<br>
>>> bound to fail as a pirate party, since people will
eventually see<br>
>>> that you are no different than the others. Lets try
to prevent that<br>
>>> from happening.<br>
>>><br>
>>> -- RobertoElected member of the Dutch Pirate Party
member council.<br>
>>><br>
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>>> Message: 2<br>
>>> Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 13:07:46 +0200<br>
>>> From: Zbigniew ?ukasiak <a href="mailto:zzbbyy@gmail.com" target="_blank"><zzbbyy@gmail.com></a><br>
>>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br>
>>>
<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net" target="_blank"><pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net></a><br>
>>> Subject: [pp.int.general] A consensus experiment as a
partial answer<br>
>>> to the Pirate Communication Problem.<br>
>>> Message-ID:<br>
>>> <<br>
>>>
<a href="mailto:CAGL_UUuzCKi0nFu224bcrbRBnFcZPbZnNO2U3GZdcn1P+XYWmA@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">CAGL_UUuzCKi0nFu224bcrbRBnFcZPbZnNO2U3GZdcn1P+XYWmA@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
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>>><br>
>>> Copied from the workpad at:<br>
>>>
<a href="http://pad.polskapartiapiratow.pl/p/ConsensusExperiment" target="_blank">http://pad.polskapartiapiratow.pl/p/ConsensusExperiment</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> # Problem<br>
>>>
(<a href="http://pad.polskapartiapiratow.pl/p/PirateCommunicationProblem" target="_blank">http://pad.polskapartiapiratow.pl/p/PirateCommunicationProblem</a>)<br>
>>><br>
>>> There is a severe deficiency of communication between
the pirate<br>
>>> parties:<br>
>>><br>
>>> * at the General Assemblies of PPI we don't have
enough time to talk<br>
>>> about everything<br>
>>><br>
>>> * the general mailing list does not work - because
lack of rules<br>
>>> makes the discussion chaotic<br>
>>><br>
>>> * the leaders mailing list and Liquid Feedback setup
by Nuno look<br>
>>> desert<br>
>>><br>
>>> * the local forums are often locked down now<br>
>>><br>
>>> ## Proposal 1: consensus deliberative group
experiment (zby)<br>
>>><br>
>>> A consensus based deliberative group (committee?)
that would gather<br>
>>> opinions<br>
>>> from all pirate parties and work on what is the
common core among<br>
>>> them.<br>
>>><br>
>>> It will be immediately useful for:<br>
>>><br>
>>> * organizing coordinated actions (mostly protests,
but also actions<br>
>>> like welcoming Snowden etc.)<br>
>>><br>
>>> * working on common program core (the European common
core program<br>
>>> is very useful for small parties and it should be
copied worldwide)<br>
>>><br>
>>> * making common declarations<br>
>>><br>
>>> * maybe working on PPI statutes<br>
>>><br>
>>> After we get it running we can also work on more
difficult stuff<br>
>>> like establishing what it really means to be a pirate
party.<br>
>>><br>
>>> ### Known issues<br>
>>><br>
>>> To get there we need to meet two conflicting
requirements.<br>
>>><br>
>>> * The group cannot be too big - so that we can work
with the<br>
>>> classical consensus protocol (based on ideas like:<br>
>>>
<a href="http://www.starhawk.org/activism/trainer-resources/consensus.html" target="_blank">http://www.starhawk.org/activism/trainer-resources/consensus.html</a>),<br>
>>> and it needs to have a well defined boundary (rule #1
in 8 rules for<br>
>>> governance of the commons by Ostrom<br>
>>> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elinor_Ostrom" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elinor_Ostrom</a> ). I think
the Dunbar<br>
>>> Number that is 120 would make a hard limit.<br>
>>><br>
>>> * and it needs to include at least participants from
all<br>
>>> (legitimate) pirate parties<br>
>>><br>
>>> ### Plan<br>
>>><br>
>>> All more concrete rules would be established by the
group<br>
>>> itself. I believe that if we make good rules we can
avoid the<br>
>>> problems that afflict the other communication
channels. We can<br>
>>> start using emails and pads - and then choose our own
communication<br>
>>> infrastructure.<br>
>>><br>
>>> All this will require some work from all participants
- we need<br>
>>> volunteers that can regularly dedicate some of their
time to<br>
>>> communicate with the group and with local parties and
work on the<br>
>>> issues.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Anyone interested?<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Zbigniew Lukasiak<br>
>>> <a href="http://brudnopis.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://brudnopis.blogspot.com/</a><br>
>>> <a href="http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>><br>
>>> Message: 3<br>
>>> Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 11:14:34 +0000<br>
>>> From: Antonio Garcia <a href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com" target="_blank"><ningunotro@hotmail.com></a><br>
>>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br>
>>>
<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net" target="_blank"><pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net></a><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] A consensus experiment
as a partial<br>
>>> answer to the Pirate Communication Problem.<br>
>>> Message-ID:
<a href="mailto:DUB119-W2535E309F9739351178594DC370@phx.gbl" target="_blank"><DUB119-W2535E309F9739351178594DC370@phx.gbl></a><br>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>
>>><br>
>>> After<br>
>>>
<a href="http://samedokan.wordpress.com/2014/05/10/when-pirates-do-prefer-censorship/finally" target="_blank">http://samedokan.wordpress.com/2014/05/10/when-pirates-do-prefer-censorship/finally</a><br>
>>> finds a proper and decent solution.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Before, anything anybody tries will be utterly
pointless.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Because WE all have been playing with ALL our CORE
VALUES<br>
>>> recklessly... there.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Antonio.<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 13:07:46 +0200<br>
>>>> From: <a href="mailto:zzbbyy@gmail.com" target="_blank">zzbbyy@gmail.com</a><br>
>>>> To: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net" target="_blank">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
>>>> Subject: [pp.int.general] A consensus experiment
as a partial<br>
>>>> answer to<br>
>>> the Pirate Communication Problem.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Copied from the workpad at:<br>
>>>>
<a href="http://pad.polskapartiapiratow.pl/p/ConsensusExperiment" target="_blank">http://pad.polskapartiapiratow.pl/p/ConsensusExperiment</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> # Problem (<br>
>>>
<a href="http://pad.polskapartiapiratow.pl/p/PirateCommunicationProblem" target="_blank">http://pad.polskapartiapiratow.pl/p/PirateCommunicationProblem</a>)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> There is a severe deficiency of communication
between the pirate<br>
>>>> parties:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> * at the General Assemblies of PPI we don't have
enough time to<br>
>>>> talk about everything<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> * the general mailing list does not work -
because lack of rules<br>
>>>> makes<br>
>>> the<br>
>>>> discussion chaotic<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> * the leaders mailing list and Liquid Feedback
setup by Nuno look<br>
>>>> desert<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> * the local forums are often locked down now<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ## Proposal 1: consensus deliberative group
experiment (zby)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> A consensus based deliberative group (committee?)
that would<br>
>>>> gather<br>
>>> opinions<br>
>>>> from all pirate parties and work on what is the
common core among<br>
>>>> them.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> It will be immediately useful for:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> * organizing coordinated actions (mostly
protests, but also<br>
>>>> actions like welcoming Snowden etc.)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> * working on common program core (the European
common core<br>
>>>> program is very useful for small parties and it
should be copied<br>
>>>> worldwide)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> * making common declarations<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> * maybe working on PPI statutes<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> After we get it running we can also work on more
difficult stuff<br>
>>>> like establishing what it really means to be a
pirate party.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ### Known issues<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> To get there we need to meet two conflicting
requirements.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> * The group cannot be too big - so that we can
work with the<br>
>>>> classical consensus protocol (based on ideas
like:<br>
>>>>
<a href="http://www.starhawk.org/activism/trainer-resources/consensus.html" target="_blank">http://www.starhawk.org/activism/trainer-resources/consensus.html</a>),<br>
>>>> and it needs to have a well defined boundary
(rule #1 in 8 rules<br>
>>>> for governance of the commons by Ostrom<br>
>>>> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elinor_Ostrom" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elinor_Ostrom</a> ). I
think the Dunbar<br>
>>>> Number that is 120 would make a hard limit.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> * and it needs to include at least participants
from all<br>
>>>> (legitimate) pirate parties<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ### Plan<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> All more concrete rules would be established by
the group<br>
>>>> itself. I believe that if we make good rules we
can avoid the<br>
>>>> problems that afflict the other communication
channels. We can<br>
>>>> start using emails and pads - and then choose our
own<br>
>>>> communication infrastructure.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> All this will require some work from all
participants - we need<br>
>>>> volunteers that can regularly dedicate some of
their time to<br>
>>>> communicate with the group and with local parties
and work on the<br>
>>>> issues.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Anyone interested?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> Zbigniew Lukasiak<br>
>>>> <a href="http://brudnopis.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://brudnopis.blogspot.com/</a><br>
>>>> <a href="http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/</a><br>
>>>>
____________________________________________________<br>
>>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
>>>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net" target="_blank">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
>>>>
<a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
>>><br>
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>>> Message: 4<br>
>>> Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 18:23:02 +0200<br>
>>> From: Koen De Voegt
<a href="mailto:koen.devoegt@antwerpsepiraten.be" target="_blank"><koen.devoegt@antwerpsepiraten.be></a><br>
>>> To: Paul Bossu <a href="mailto:paul@pirateparty.be" target="_blank"><paul@pirateparty.be></a>, Josef
Ohlsson Collentine<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:international@piratpartiet.se" target="_blank"><international@piratpartiet.se></a><br>
>>> Cc:
<a href="mailto:pp-leaders.discussion@lists.pp-international.net" target="_blank">"pp-leaders.discussion@lists.pp-international.net"</a><br>
>>>
<a href="mailto:pp-leaders.discussion@lists.pp-international.net" target="_blank"><pp-leaders.discussion@lists.pp-international.net></a>,<br>
>>> Pirate Parties<br>
>>> International -- General Talk<br>
>>>
<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net" target="_blank"><pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net></a><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] [pp-leaders.discussion]
Fwd: Still<br>
>>> missing 8/11 board reports from the last PPI
board +<br>
>>> alternate members<br>
>>> Message-ID:
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>>> Thank you for your report Paul. Believe me we are
trying to fix PPI.<br>
>>> This is not an easy task and will take some time.
More then I would<br>
>>> like. I would like to note to everyone that doesn't
like the way<br>
>>> PPI is running should take up responsibility in
trying to fix the<br>
>>> matters instead of just giving criticism.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Everyone feel free to propose any solution you are
willing to<br>
>>> implement to help PPI get back on track!<br>
>>><br>
>>> Koen<br>
>>><br>
>>> op 12-05-14 14:43, Paul Bossu schreef:<br>
>>>> here is my opinion :
<a href="http://piratepad.be/p/ppiboard" target="_blank">http://piratepad.be/p/ppiboard</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> *_PPI Alternate Board Member (2nd) - Report_*<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> As asked by Joseph, here is my rapport of 2nd
alternate board<br>
>>>> member<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> When i was candidate in april 2013 it was because
form many<br>
>>>> pirates, PPI is nothing and do nothing.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> So i was alected 2nd alternate BM, in cas of
problem with one of<br>
>>>> the elected board member.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I've do some mumble meeting at the beginning but
as expected, it<br>
>>>> was totally not interesting and most of the time
speaking<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I was not eh first one on the alternate list so i
was also<br>
>>>> discuissing with Jelena (1st alternate)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I was clearly not more candidate for any position
at PPi this year<br>
>>>> because i found this organisation totally
unrelevant and working<br>
>>>> as a little circle of people who just wantr to
have the tittle of<br>
>>>> "chair person of world pirates" or just want to
say they are "PPI<br>
>>>> Board Member<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> So after two or three mont of this non productive
meetings, i was<br>
>>>> just following the mailing (board@ppi) and
mailing list<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> You know, PPI is Gregory Engel's club for him and
his friends ...<br>
>>>> and th'at's all<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> If after 4 years it's always the same people
representing<br>
>>>> pirates of the world ... (Gregory Engels and his
close<br>
>>>> friends.)... i suppose everyopne on earth can
understand where<br>
>>>> the problem is<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> *Pirately yours and ... "PPI, never again '"*<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Paul<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> *Paul Bossu*<br>
>>>> **<br>
>>>> Board Member @PiratesBelgium
<a href="http://lepartipirate.be/about" target="_blank"><http://lepartipirate.be/about></a> |<br>
>>>> Board Member @EuropeanPirates
<a href="http://www.europeanpirates.eu/" target="_blank"><http://www.europeanpirates.eu/></a><br>
>>>> Linked In Profile
<a href="http://be.linkedin.com/in/paulbossu" target="_blank"><http://be.linkedin.com/in/paulbossu></a>| @Popol349<br>
>>>> <a href="https://twitter.com/Popol349%E2%80%8E" target="_blank"><https://twitter.com/Popol349%E2%80%8E></a> |
<a href="http://www.god2014.be" target="_blank">www.god2014.be</a><br>
>>>> <a href="http://god2014.be/" target="_blank"><http://god2014.be/></a> | <a href="tel:%2B32%20494%2028%2035%2028" value="+32494283528" target="_blank">+32 494 28 35 28</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
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