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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Spanish is absolutely no problem in my case ;). I've been digging in the archives of your mailing lists more than once.<br><br>I even signed up to the Spanish equivalent of the Pirate Times, Tiempos Piratas.<br><br><hr>Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 10:05:08 -0300<br>From: betielix@gmail.com<br>To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] consensus experiment<br><br><div dir=ltr>well we have lot of smart people on the list. And our list is just the opposite of a graveyard.<div>If you want to see how it works you are invited to join us and look for yourself. And read our principles and the organic letter on our page ( everything you need to know is in <a href="http://www.partidopirata.com.ar" target=_blank>www.partidopirata.com.ar</a>) The list is open to every pirate, no exception. But. well we only speaks in Spanish.. so perhaps there is an exception.</div>
<div><br></div></div><div class=ecxgmail_extra><br><br><div class=ecxgmail_quote>2014-05-16 9:58 GMT-03:00 Antonio Garcia <span dir=ltr><<a href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com" target=_blank>ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div><div dir=ltr>And what has been your "intellectual" production lately?<br><br>If you have no smart people left... it is always very, very calm in a graveyard.<br><br><hr>Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 09:49:24 -0300<br>
From: <a href="mailto:betielix@gmail.com" target=_blank>betielix@gmail.com</a><div><div class=h5><br>To: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net" target=_blank>pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] consensus experiment<br><br><div dir=ltr>yes you can. In the Argentine pirate party, is working quite well. So we have a positive result here.The only criticism we have so far is for people that doesn`t get the principles, so we ask politely please to read them, and some complains about the volume of information we have on our mailing list. But we are working on it. If some of us get out of control for the heat of the conversation, someone reminds us the "codigo de camadería pirata", that is some codes of good pirate behaviour to keep all in a good mood... and obviously, we try not to feed trolls.<div>
<br><div><br></div><div>Betiel</div><div><br><br><div>2014-05-16 9:34 GMT-03:00 Antonio Garcia <span dir=ltr><<a href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com" target=_blank>ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div><div dir=ltr>Fuere is one big trouble about consensus...<br><br>... you can have one, and build a willing group around it...<br>... but you can't have a group where absolutely everybody is admitted acritically, like in absolutely horizontal inclusive groups... and then try to find a suitable consensus.<br>
<br>Sign of the times... all you get is an idiocracy.<br><br><br>Nothing very Pirate Codex-like ;(.<br><br>Got more than two years of acute experience with that. BOTH in Pirates and in the Indignado movement.<br><br>Naievety rules ;(.<br>
<br>> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 09:57:46 +0200<br>> From: <a href="mailto:zzbbyy@gmail.com" target=_blank>zzbbyy@gmail.com</a><br>> To: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net" target=_blank>pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] consensus experiment<div><div><br>> <br>> On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Andreas Czák <<a href="mailto:Sonstwer@piratenpartei.at" target=_blank>Sonstwer@piratenpartei.at</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>> > Hash: SHA1<br>> ><br>> > I've posted a counter proposal in your pad<br>> ><br>> > <a href="http://pad.polskapartiapiratow.pl/p/CommunicationChannels" target=_blank>http://pad.polskapartiapiratow.pl/p/CommunicationChannels</a><br>
> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > #Counter Proposal:<br>> ><br>> > Identify the interests of local pirate organisations (and people)<br>> > create channels based on the same interests<br>
> > -> leads to international working groups on specific tasks<br>> > -> reduces the information overflow on coordinators<br>> > -> makes it easier to work on specific tasks and topics rather than<br>
> > having to read ALL the international communication<br>> ><br>> > Reason for me is: There're sooo many mails and i'm not able to read them all<br>> > in order to get things done we must split communication based on topics,<br>
> > doing so will enable more pirates to work together on the things they're<br>> > interested in<br>> <br>> Good idea. It is not really incompatible with my proposal.<br>> <br>> I think what was lacking in the previous efforts is *community building*.<br>
> What we need is more or less stable groups, with defined boundaries,<br>> that have the power to self-govern (and thus reduce trolls and<br>> flames). If the goal is global - than these groups need<br>> representatives from many parties (optimally from all existing pirate<br>
> parties). Building them will require some effort.<br>> <br>> My idea is to use the consensus process when building one or more of<br>> these groups.<br>> <br>> Because the community building requires much effort - than when we<br>
> build such a group it should not have too narrow goal.<br>> <br>> <br>> Plus I listed some goals for such a group to tackle:<br>> <br>> * organizing coordinated actions (mostly protests, but also actions<br>
> like welcoming Snowden etc.)<br>> <br>> * working on common program core (the European common core program is<br>> very useful for small parties and it should be copied worldwide)<br>> <br>> * making common declarations<br>
> <br>> * maybe working on PPI statutes<br>> <br>> <br>> Cheers,<br>> Z.<br>> ____________________________________________________<br>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net" target=_blank>pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
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