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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Fuere is one big trouble about consensus...<br><br>... you can have one, and build a willing group around it...<br>... but you can't have a group where absolutely everybody is admitted acritically, like in absolutely horizontal inclusive groups... and then try to find a suitable consensus.<br><br>Sign of the times... all you get is an idiocracy.<br><br><br>Nothing very Pirate Codex-like ;(.<br><br>Got more than two years of acute experience with that. BOTH in Pirates and in the Indignado movement.<br><br>Naievety rules ;(.<br><br>> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 09:57:46 +0200<br>> From: zzbbyy@gmail.com<br>> To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] consensus experiment<br>> <br>> On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Andreas Czák <Sonstwer@piratenpartei.at> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>> > Hash: SHA1<br>> ><br>> > I've posted a counter proposal in your pad<br>> ><br>> > http://pad.polskapartiapiratow.pl/p/CommunicationChannels<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > #Counter Proposal:<br>> ><br>> > Identify the interests of local pirate organisations (and people)<br>> > create channels based on the same interests<br>> > -> leads to international working groups on specific tasks<br>> > -> reduces the information overflow on coordinators<br>> > -> makes it easier to work on specific tasks and topics rather than<br>> > having to read ALL the international communication<br>> ><br>> > Reason for me is: There're sooo many mails and i'm not able to read them all<br>> > in order to get things done we must split communication based on topics,<br>> > doing so will enable more pirates to work together on the things they're<br>> > interested in<br>> <br>> Good idea. It is not really incompatible with my proposal.<br>> <br>> I think what was lacking in the previous efforts is *community building*.<br>> What we need is more or less stable groups, with defined boundaries,<br>> that have the power to self-govern (and thus reduce trolls and<br>> flames). If the goal is global - than these groups need<br>> representatives from many parties (optimally from all existing pirate<br>> parties). Building them will require some effort.<br>> <br>> My idea is to use the consensus process when building one or more of<br>> these groups.<br>> <br>> Because the community building requires much effort - than when we<br>> build such a group it should not have too narrow goal.<br>> <br>> <br>> Plus I listed some goals for such a group to tackle:<br>> <br>> * organizing coordinated actions (mostly protests, but also actions<br>> like welcoming Snowden etc.)<br>> <br>> * working on common program core (the European common core program is<br>> very useful for small parties and it should be copied worldwide)<br>> <br>> * making common declarations<br>> <br>> * maybe working on PPI statutes<br>> <br>> <br>> Cheers,<br>> Z.<br>> ____________________________________________________<br>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br> </div></body>
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