<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">Hey Jacob,<br>Thanks a lot that is one exciting idea! I try to look at approaches mostly under the aspect of whether they can work and create traction. There are a few criteria that I found significant. Simplicity, is the most important of them. Think about limesurvey, the only tool producing any meaningful feedback as of now.<br>
Anything "Meinungsfindungstool" is like 10 Degrees more complex and for that it seems to be not implementable right now. - And who speaks German anyway? ;)<br><br>I like to think of it like layers of an onion. The first layer must be very simple, not even as complex as “yes” or “no”. Just a simple "like/+1" may suffice. This and a focus on seamless integration to wherever people spend their time must be the priority. Once somebody is hooked we can go down the rabbit whole and do all the “Meinungsfindung”.<br>
- It’s what I like about Silicon Valley and <a href="http://placeavote.com">placeavote.com</a>, they keep it simple and deliver something appealing, the rest is iteration. In contrast, <a href="http://udeci.de">udeci.de</a> seems to take the opposite approach.<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">Best Regards<br>Martin<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Jacob Kanev <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:j_kanev@arcor.de" target="_blank">j_kanev@arcor.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hi Martin,<br>
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you might also want to connect with the people from our "AG Meinungsfindungstool" [1]. They're busy implementing something called qKonsens, an online system that combines voting and discussing.<br>
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I'm not sure how far it is, I haven't followed the discussion in detail, but as far as I can see some good ideas have met some programmers.<br>
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Lots of regards, Jacob.<br>
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<a href="mailto:ag-meinungsfindungstool@lists.piratenpartei.de">ag-meinungsfindungstool@lists.piratenpartei.de</a><br>
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On Sunday 01 June 2014 20:49:39 Martin Stolze wrote:<br>
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> Hi Together,<br>
> I keep arguing that a lack of infrastructure is actually our biggest<br>
> challenge. I guess, by now, it is safe to say that we don't actually have<br>
> the capacity to build something ample ourselves (Liquid Feedback, shitty<br>
> mailing lists, limesurvey you name it). The way I see it is that we simply<br>
> don't manage to activate the talent that would be necessary to develop<br>
> something pioneering. All the good ideas and innovations coupled with our<br>
> lofty idealism is worth nothing if nobody is pouring them into Java or PHP.<br>
><br>
> The guys at <a href="http://placeavote.com" target="_blank">placeavote.com</a> have been gone through the news as they try to<br>
> shoehorn direct democracy into any form of electoral system by means of<br>
> levering it out and replacing politicians with proxies that only relay<br>
> decisions made by the corresponding constituency.<br>
><br>
> Of course implementation, especially in the US, is highly unlikely. However<br>
> using it at least internally to a certain degree or forking it a little can<br>
> be a chance for us to move out of the technological middle ages that we are<br>
> stuck in.<br>
><br>
> It also seems not to be open source (yet?) but I am thinking more along the<br>
> lines of sweet-talking the guys behind it into working for us as some kind<br>
> of software consultants, maybe we can flatter them with a bit of the cash<br>
> that should come our way in form of election refunds?<br>
> :)<br>
><br>
><br>
> What do you think?<br>
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