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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Yeah, you are behaving in exactly the right way to keep everything impossible but your #IDIOCRACY, because you are unable nor even willing to understand elaborated arguments.<br><br>Yeah, we can restart history from cro-magnon if the majority thinks that level of effort is all they are wanting to afford.<br><br>You do not seem to be aware, nor wanting to be, about the real situation... all you have is a blind and unwarranted faith in absolute horizontality... as the only miracle solution for your failure to understand the complexities of any of the present political and/or sociological arrangements.<br><br>I have enough vision to complain about your and too many others lack of realism, following an ideal dream (hey, I'm an anarchist, an intellectual one, I know the complex version of your simplified dreams, and you should have learnt from the failures in Argentinean horizontalities), without any attention for the context they have to be inserted into.<br><br>In the past, people thought it would be impossible for ignorant and stupid people still to exist in 2014... and yet they still make up "democratic" (at least some sort of ultrasimplified majority rule that has to portrait as such) majorities and decide our present and our future without that much of intelligence intervening.<br><br>If I thought what I am after was impossible... I would have given up already. If it ain't too much to ask to have logic, ethic and honour prevail among those that insist in calling themselves pirates.<br><br>But I guess none ofd them has reread the Pirate Codex in ages :(.<br><br><br>PS.: The time it takes you or any pirates to come anywhere close to correctly analysing the problems, not to speak about having some idea about a solution ;(.<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 18:24:33 -0300<br>From: betielix@gmail.com<br>To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Anybody checked out placeavote.com?<br><br><div dir="ltr">Let me see If I understand.. you are saying we are fighting wind mills, but you do not have any alternative?<div><br><div>At least have the vision to not complain about impossibles. </div><div><br></div><div>
In the past people though it was impossible to something heavier than air to fly, </div><div>In the past people though many things were impossible!!<br></div><div>But luckily for us there were people who though what others call impossible to be possible.</div>
<div>So please, stop saying something is impossible, because everything in the future is possible!</div><div><br></div><div>You can call us "idiots" for trying to achieve what you call impossible, but luckily for you and us, there were many "idiots" in our history that chose to believe the impossibles were possible and therefore changed the world.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Betiel</div><div><br></div><div>PS: By the way.. the people with experience in life I was thinking was in the other group :P </div><div>And... Where did you get the idea we do not know what the problems are?</div>
<div>We know more, much more than you glimpse.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">2014-06-02 17:53 GMT-03:00 Antonio Garcia <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com" target="_blank">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div><div dir="ltr">Of course I am not the only one... but the others seem smart enoug not to show up when #IDIOCRACY seems to be unavoidable.<br><br>Believe what you want, have faith... it won't move mountains that are not there.<br>
<br>If you do not have a better solution, not even a better understanding of what the problem really is...<br><br>... only that you have so little faith in yourself and your own knowledge of facts that you have no margin whatsoever to have confidence in anybody but yourself at all...<br>
<br>... then there is nothing else you can do to survive than become a monkey again... you will be empaled by others that complete the process faster :(.<br><br>All the shortcuts to communism have sacrificed intelligence.<br>
<br>Pirates won't be smart enough to do anything else.<br><br><br><div><hr>Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 17:41:21 -0300<br>From: <a href="mailto:betielix@gmail.com" target="_blank">betielix@gmail.com</a><div><div class="h5"><br>
To: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net" target="_blank">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Anybody checked out <a href="http://placeavote.com" target="_blank">placeavote.com</a>?<br>
<br><div dir="ltr">Well, exactly that`s the heart of the matter. Nobody here has a better solution than swarm or liquid approach) So we only try to improve what we think is the better we know. At least until someone more inspired than us appears. That`s the best we can give. <div>
<br></div><div>We know both (swarm and liquid) have their issues, but we believe we can work on those issues to try to make them dissapear, or at least make them less problematic than the issues that have the actual democracies arround the world. <div>
<br></div><div>Betiel</div><div><br></div><div>PS: You are not the only one with experience in life! </div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div>2014-06-02 17:14 GMT-03:00 Antonio Garcia <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com" target="_blank">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div><div dir="ltr">If only ANYONE could point me towards any more efficient one? Without wishful thinking about the situation being the right one for it to apply. All except licking the wrong asses, of course, I do value my dignity.<br>
<br>I do have some experience in life, you know, becoming 50 was not a freeride.<br><br><div>> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 11:04:14 +0200<br>> From: <a href="mailto:zzbbyy@gmail.com" target="_blank">zzbbyy@gmail.com</a><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net" target="_blank">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Anybody checked out <a href="http://placeavote.com" target="_blank">placeavote.com</a>?<div>
<div><br>> <br>> On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Antonio Garcia <<a href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com" target="_blank">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> > Both lack of infrastructure and lack of personal capacities are due to the<br>
> > poor sociological level the overall mass dynamics inject into the swarm.<br>> > When the majotity decides everything, and that majority does not care to<br>> > inform itself thoroughly before casting a vote but does so following buddy<br>
> > politics, or low rationality desires, or voting no matter how because what<br>> > sustains their self-esteem is exercising their right to vote even in the<br>> > easiest way possible, tossing a coin or throwing dice...<br>
> ><br>> > ... then what the swarm becomes is an #IDIOCRAZY ;(.<br>> ><br>> > When it takes intelligent pirates AGES to get a wrong act reversed, and<br>> > while they are onto it 10 other wrong and stupid decision stack up...<br>
> > intelligent people give up because remaining coherent becomes impossible.<br>> ><br>> > They silently drop out. No need top make an useless fuss out of it.<br>> ><br>> > And with each intelligent dropout the black hole of total #IDIOCRAZY cpmes<br>
> > closer for the Pirate Movement.<br>> ><br>> > I've been battling the phenomenon inside the Spanish Pirate Party, before I<br>> > had to take it by the horns at the PPI when I attended the 2012 Prague<br>
> > General Assembly.<br>> <br>> It does not look like you are too successful in this - have you ever<br>> thought about changing your methods?<br>> <br>> Cheers,<br>> Zbigniew<br>> ____________________________________________________<br>
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