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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>I work with FAIR people, anytime.<br><br>Pirates should be FAIR (but there is a big question mark floating around about it nowadays.<br><br>If Pirates are still FAIR... prove it by doing the right thing.<br><br>Then I will STILL consider you Pirates, and work with you.<br><br><br>Otherwise, all I will have left to do is burn those vessels ful of rats and cockroaches...<br><br>... to force the construction of a totally new fleet that will NOT be contaminated by unovercomable filth.<br><br><br>Show me who you are, so that I can make that choice in a fair way.<br><br><br>Zbigniew, you are dodging compliance with the prerequisites.<br><br>I do not sign blank credit allowances.<br><br><br>Antonio.<br><br><br><div>> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 15:37:38 +0200<br>> From: zzbbyy@gmail.com<br>> To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Antonio - do you want to work with us in organizing this movement?<br>> <br>> Antonio - you are dodging the question.<br>> <br>> Do you want to work with us - or not?<br>> <br>> <br>> Z.<br>> <br>> <br>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Antonio Garcia <ningunotro@hotmail.com> wrote:<br>> > Dear Zbigniew,<br>> ><br>> > I do recognise myself in the Pirate Codex:<br>> ><br>> > Pirate Codex<br>> ><br>> > Pirates are free<br>> ><br>> > Pirates are freedom-loving, independent, autonomous, and disapprove of<br>> > blind obedience. They stand for informational self-determination and freedom<br>> > of opinion. Pirates bear the responsibility entailed by freedom.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> I am independent, autonomous, and disapprove of blind obedience. Things<br>> >> are logic, or not logic, right, or not right, ethic, or not ethic, conform<br>> >> to freely accepted rules, or not conform to freely accepted rules. These are<br>> >> YES or NO situations according to RATIONAL BEHAVIOUR based on SUFFICIENT<br>> >> KNOWLEDGE.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > I do NOT trade my freedom because of NON-RATIONAL majority voting and<br>> > behaviour of crowds, be they supposed pirate ones.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Pirates respect privacy<br>> ><br>> > Pirates protect privacy. They fight against the increasing surveillance<br>> > mania of state and economy because it prohibits the free development of the<br>> > individual. A free and democratic society is impossible without private and<br>> > unobserved free space.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> Please, do it in a rational way, without bowing to majority GUT feelings<br>> >> based on voluntary ignorance.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Pirates are critical<br>> ><br>> > Pirates are creative, curious, and do not acquiesce in the status quo. They<br>> > challenge systems, search for weak spots and find ways to correct them.<br>> > Pirates learn from their mistakes.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> I dare to be critical even about Pirate systems... I challenge EVERYTHING<br>> >> that does not seem to be logically nor ethically sound.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > And there is MUCH to criticise in the pirate nirvana "#IDIOCRAZY"™ of the<br>> > many that do not give too much a damn and the few pragmatic bureaucrats<br>> > without respect for logic, ethic nor pirate honour.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > There has been an incident in Spain that lead to the creation of an awkward<br>> > breakaway of the Pirate Party of Spain in Catalonia.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > And there has been an incident in the PPI in 2012 where such party was<br>> > FRAUDULENTLY admitted as a full member of the PPI.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Uncountable breaches of Pirate statutes, principles, logic, ethic and honour<br>> > have been committed since to make this untenable situation last.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Having this in mind, who do you think you are, and what legitimity do you<br>> > still have, after your actions and/or omissions... to dare ask ME whether I<br>> > feel I should be part of the Pirate Community?<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Do you think you are still a pirate?<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Pirates are fair-minded<br>> ><br>> > They keep their word. Solidarity is important when it comes to collective<br>> > aims. Pirates counteract the blind-eye-mentality of society and take action<br>> > when moral courage is necessary.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> I value solidarity, a lot... in the defense of truth. Yeah, you are<br>> >> thinking right... I haven't seen much of it existing among the majority of<br>> >> those that dare call themselves pirates nowadays.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > TWO YEARS of stupid troubles, and counting... for something that should have<br>> > taken ANY competent Court of Arbitration 20 minutes.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > And all of you have been indolent or stupid or obfuscated enough to have<br>> > been looking at it during two long years now... and do nothing piratelike<br>> > according to this Codex I am commenting for you here.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > So much for pirates being fair-minded.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Pirates respect life<br>> ><br>> > Pirates are peaceful. Therefore they reject the death penalty and the<br>> > destruction of our environment. Pirates stand for the sustainability of<br>> > nature and its resources. We do not accept patents on life.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> No, I ain't dead yet, nothing to comment.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Pirates are eager for knowledge<br>> ><br>> > The access to information, education, knowledge and scientific findings has<br>> > to be unlimited. Pirates support free culture and free software.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> Knowledge that has not interested many pirates:<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > http://samedokan.wordpress.com/2013/09/02/klarmachen-zum-kentern/<br>> ><br>> > http://samedokan.wordpress.com/2014/05/10/when-pirates-do-prefer-censorship/<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Knowledge of own actions and omissions... to be deeply ashamed of, if<br>> > pirates only remember what such feeling tastes like.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Pirates are social<br>> > Pirates respect human dignity. They commit themselves to a society united in<br>> > solidarity where the strong defend the weak. Pirates stand for a political<br>> > culture of objectivity and fairness.<br>> ><br>> >> Guess what, I do value MY dignity a lot. And if it can not remain intact<br>> >> among you... well then... CATEGORICALLY... it is you, no matter what the<br>> >> number... who have forgotten what being a pirate has to be like.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Pirates are international<br>> ><br>> > Pirates are part of a global movement. They take advantage of the<br>> > opportunities offered by the internet and are therefore enabled to think and<br>> > act without borders.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> Show me the Movement... at this moment I only see sinking ships, and you<br>> >> are not even under siege, the internal quarrels and rampant incompetence of<br>> >> too many are more than enough.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > At times I seem the only one left thinking anything at all...<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ... all the rest seem monkeys that do not release the banana to free their<br>> > hand... and will die in the trap because of their own stupidity.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > The Movement will NOT get any POSITIVE exposure again until the simple<br>> > logical and ethical problems are solved.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > As long as you hide the truth... YOU can't be Pirates.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Do you believe you can solve the problem, or are Pirates doomed??<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 13:52:08 +0200<br>> >> From: zzbbyy@gmail.com<br>> >> To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> >> Subject: [pp.int.general] Antonio - do you want to work with us in<br>> >> organizing this movement?<br>> ><br>> >><br>> >> Or do you think that this is impossible, because we are too stupid, or<br>> >> because the organization is just doomed or for whatever other reason?<br>> >><br>> >> What does it mean for you to work together, to collaborate?<br>> >><br>> >> --<br>> >> Zbigniew Lukasiak<br>> >> http://brudnopis.blogspot.com/<br>> >> http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/<br>> >> ____________________________________________________<br>> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> >> pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> >> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br>> ><br>> > ____________________________________________________<br>> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> > pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br>> ><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> Zbigniew Lukasiak<br>> http://brudnopis.blogspot.com/<br>> http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/<br>> ____________________________________________________<br>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br></div> </div></body>
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