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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>May I ask under what capacity and with which authority you are bargaining with me?<br><br><div>> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 15:28:46 +0200<br>> From: zzbbyy@gmail.com<br>> To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Antonio - do you want to work with us in organizing this movement?<br>> <br>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Antonio Garcia <ningunotro@hotmail.com> wrote:<br>> >> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 07:40:47 +0200<br>> >> From: zzbbyy@gmail.com<br>> >> To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> >> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Antonio - do you want to work with us in<br>> >> organizing this movement?<br>> >><br>> >> OK Antonio - so there were some mistakes made.<br>> ><br>> > Calling it "some mistakes" is quite a very big understatement. No friend,<br>> > mistakes were made, of course, but there has been A LOT of VOLUNTARY...<br>> > BASTARD BEHAVIOUR unsuitable for even the most scumbag of pirates. And a lot<br>> > of cowardice by far too many too.<br>> ><br>> > The 2012 CoA did the Pirate Movement a very big disservice through their<br>> > highly incompetent and childish rulings... and I have been one of the very<br>> > few pirates to have enough balls to stand their ground when they know they<br>> > are right. Shame on most of the rest.<br>> ><br>> > I spelled out CLEARLY why a 2013 PPI GA that did NOT address the catalan<br>> > issue would INVALIDATE ITSELF automatically... and dear Gregory Engels<br>> > thought he could brave me organizing it in Kazan. Well, I'm afraid to say<br>> > that he was WRONG. You'll have to make HIM pay for the consequences, not<br>> > me... I warned well in advance.<br>> ><br>> > And everybody knows the 2014 PPI GA has been just a plain farce...<br>> ><br>> > Ain't NO WAY anybody is going to weasle out this time...<br>> ><br>> > I have been made a fool of at home for far too long by mere abuse of the PPI<br>> > Boards and CoA... and I need the full rehabilitation to be able to finsh<br>> > things off in Spain conveniently.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> What do you propose now? Nullifying Catalonia admittance would nullify<br>> >> three subsequent GA where they took part and this is something I don't<br>> >> think many members would agree.<br>> ><br>> > Silly you. They do not have to agree. It is something UNAVOIDABLE if they<br>> > value PIRATE DIGNITY.<br>> ><br>> > Of course, they can prefer NOT to value it, and keep the excess of rats and<br>> > cockroaches on board because that guarantees easy play in the<br>> > KinderGarten...<br>> ><br>> > ... but without dignity there is nothing to loose and then my final choice<br>> > is to BURN all the ships down to wipe that dishonour from history and start<br>> > working on something else.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> All that you describe is not a big<br>> >> thing - it is just a formality - because the general will is to have<br>> >> Catalonia as a member. Disrupting the whole organization to fix that<br>> >> minor formality failure does not make sense.<br>> ><br>> > Yeah, if you think THAT is the only problem... you are blind. The catalan<br>> > issue, and how it was handled so far, is just one of the symptoms. If you<br>> > think the Pirate issue in Spain is complex... I beg you to have a peek at<br>> > the actual situation in Germany. They are having a controversial<br>> > Extraordinary General Assembly at the end of the month.<br>> ><br>> > An awful lot depends also on what they decide from there... I've got most of<br>> > an "Internationales" department full of rats to smoke out if they don't.<br>> ><br>> > If the general will is to have the catalans as a member... yeah, I know they<br>> > can be fun and attract buddy politics... then when everything that needs to<br>> > be undone is undone... they can rebuild from the scratch, if they manage to<br>> > CORRECTLY brave my opposition.<br>> ><br>> > I won't allow ILLGOTTEN GAINS to be consolidated in any way... it would be<br>> > just a too tempting precedent.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> So I'll repeat - how about a resolution that admits that there were<br>> >> some mistakes made - but that we don't want to change the current<br>> >> state of the organization. A lawyer should be able to formulate this<br>> >> in a formal way. Then we'd vote on this resolution at the next GA and<br>> >> I am pretty sure that it would pass - but maybe not who knows.<br>> >><br>> >> Would that satisfy you?<br>> ><br>> > No, it wouldn't. I wouldn't get back what has unduly been taken away from me<br>> > these last years... and a few bastards would get away with what they do not<br>> > deserve.<br>> <br>> Hmm - OK - so another proposal - the resolution would NULLIFY the<br>> Catalonia admitance, the subsequent GAs - all that you argument that<br>> should be done and then in the same text it would establish all the<br>> statutes amendments that were voted in these GAs, admit all the<br>> members that were admitted and in general establish all the acts that<br>> were voted in these nullified GAs.<br>> <br>> This would comply with all your requests above about what should be<br>> done - but we'd still not disrupt the organization. Would that be<br>> enough?<br>> <br>> And if not - than we can also add to the first part of such an<br>> resolution other parts - and then add balancing texts to the second<br>> part - so that the current state of the organization is preserved<br>> after the operation.<br>> <br>> We could even do that in two resolutions - first would comply with all<br>> your requests - and second would preserve the current state of the<br>> organization.<br>> <br>> Would that be enough?<br>> <br>> Well - I cannot imagine how complying with all your requests could not<br>> be enough - but I am waiting for your answer.<br>> <br>> Z.<br>> ____________________________________________________<br>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br></div> </div></body>
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