<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><div class="" style=""><span class="" style="">But the problem is that target surveilence will soon be the same as mass surveilence.</span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;" class=""> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""> <div dir="ltr" class="" style=""> <font size="2" face="Arial" class="" style=""> carlo von lynX <lynX@pirate.my.buttharp.org> schrieb am 18:13 Dienstag, 10.Juni 2014:<br class="" style=""> </font> </div> <br class="" style=""><br class="" style=""> <div class="" style="">On Sun, Jun 08, 2014 at
04:13:46PM +0200, Cal. wrote:<br clear="none" class="" style="">> I feel you are both being a bit paranoid, and a bit misdirected.<br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">Oh, it's been a while since the last time somebody underestimated<br clear="none" class="" style="">me sufficiently to call me paranoid. Pretty much since Snowden.<br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">> There is an enormous difference between *mass* surveillance and<br clear="none" class="" style="">> *targeted* surveillance, being that???short of running to Russia under<br clear="none" class="" style="">> fsb "protection"???you cannot avoid targeted surveillance: that switches<br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">Educate yourself about the BULLRUN programme.<br clear="none" class="" style="">Mass surveillance is happening also with HTTPS.<br clear="none" class="" style="">It was
probably based on heartbleed, but I don't<br clear="none" class="" style="">expect that kind of approach to stop now.<br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">There's nothing wrong with using more opportunistic<br clear="none" class="" style="">TLS, it's better than nothing. But the specific measures<br clear="none" class="" style="">suggested by resetthenet are not very smart. It would<br clear="none" class="" style="">be better to improve the situation on the browser side,<br clear="none" class="" style="">by distributing a browser that somehow accepts cacert.org,<br clear="none" class="" style="">or comes with a reasonable strategy to pin self-signed<br clear="none" class="" style="">certificates. Making an advertisement campaign for<br clear="none" class="" style="">certification authorities is a rather dumb choice of<br clear="none" class="" style="">strategy.<br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class=""
style="">Certainly it's harder to challenge the powers that<br clear="none" class="" style="">control our apparently so free and open source web<br clear="none" class="" style="">browsers.<br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">And of course it would be better to replace the entire<br clear="none" class="" style="">existing Internet with a rewrite from scratch, but<br clear="none" class="" style="">that's not what I was saying. Was I?<div class="" id="yqtfd88210" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">____________________________________________________<br clear="none" class="" style="">Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br clear="none" class="" style=""><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net" href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net" class="" style="">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br clear="none"
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