<div dir="ltr"><div>The TTIP is something that the US has only minimal interest in. There's no impact on US-based politics, so it's difficult to get any leverage to oppose it here. Add that to the blatant corruption of our Congress and other government organizations, and you can see why many of us are considering it a lost cause here.</div><div><br></div><div>However, I will say one thing: the PP's activities have thoroughly brought the corruption into the spotlight, and that's something that was very much necessary. It feels like a losing battle, and for the moment it is, but in the long term there will be consequences that I think they will not be able to control.</div><div><br></div><div>And I can't go further without donning my tinfoil hat. Oh, what the hell, I'll put it on for a couple of paragraphs.</div><div><br></div><div>All of this comes back to freedom of expression and attempting to erode free speech through using only the worst parts of it, which will then be used as justification for further limiting expression and the free flow of information. At a point, people will be so fed up with it that they'll welcome limitations on free speech and privacy, and at that point the only solution possible is revolt.</div><div><br></div><div>There are also implications (no proof, mind you, but implied abstracts) that the economic collapse is being engineered to go back to an aristocratic model. And I hate sounding like I'm crazy, but the evidence is there. It's just not solid enough to actually make any accusation.</div><div><br></div><div>The regime is solidly behind the Tea Party, because this divides the Republicans into two camps: the sheep and the problems. If they can get rid of the problems, then the sheep remain and they win.</div><div><br></div><div>Control of the news media is vital. But we don't have the resources to compete with the multinational news corporations. Rupert Murdoch should be added to our list of targets for that very reason... he's as much a part of the problem as anyone in the MAFIAA.</div><div><br></div><div>Now, putting that tinfoil hat away, the real issue here is that the channels of information are directly controlled by people whose best interests are served by siding with the MAFIAA. And because they control the channels of information, Congress's corruption is compounded by ignorance and misinformation. Our attempts at educating them at all are met with well-placed news articles that use the very tactics I've suggested in the other thread about the TF article on the MEP.</div><div><br></div><div>I left the PPUS because it's impossible to get anything done here, so long as there's a perception that modern piracy is in any way wrong. We have a massive battle to undertake, and the real issue is that the only way it can work in the USA is if the people here feel the effect and can trace it directly back. If the news media allows that.</div><div><br></div><div>So even if the TTIP would have broad implications for our population, it has to hurt before they'll even pay attention.</div><div><br></div><div>I hope that answers your question... it's a very complex situation.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Thomas Blechschmidt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thomas.blechschmidt@piratenpartei-bayern.de" target="_blank">thomas.blechschmidt@piratenpartei-bayern.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="DE" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">What Do you guys in the US think about TTIP with Europe? Is there am movement to control this?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m not aware of any attempt to seed US-Copyright over here.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thomas<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general-bounces@lists.pirateweb.net" target="_blank">pp.international.general-bounces@lists.pirateweb.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:pp.international.general-bounces@lists.pirateweb.net" target="_blank">pp.international.general-bounces@lists.pirateweb.net</a>] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Ray Jenson<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 9. Februar 2015 15:24<br><b>An:</b> Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br><b>Betreff:</b> [pp.int.general] USA News<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><span class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/02/negotiators-burn-their-last-opportunity-salvage-tpp-caving-copyright-term" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/02/negotiators-burn-their-last-opportunity-salvage-tpp-caving-copyright-term</a><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Just a point of interest from my end. <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="outline:0px;border-spacing:0px"><tbody><tr style="height:18.0pt;outline:0px;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit"><td width="1" valign="bottom" style="width:.3pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:18.0pt;outline:0px;font-style:inherit"></td></tr><tr style="outline:0px;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit"><td width="1" valign="bottom" style="width:.3pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;outline:0px;font-style:inherit"></td></tr><tr style="height:12.0pt;outline:0px;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit"><td width="1" valign="bottom" style="width:.3pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:12.0pt;outline:0px;font-style:inherit"></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div></span></div></div></div><br>____________________________________________________<br>
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