<p dir="ltr">Thanks ppnl for some very clear and interesting questions that should clarify a lot of issues once answered. Looking forward to see the reasoning from the board on this.</p>
<p dir="ltr">/josef</p>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 14:02:38 +0100<br>
From: <<a href="mailto:hyazinthe@emailn.de">hyazinthe@emailn.de</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:pp-leaders@lists.pp-international.net">pp-leaders@lists.pp-international.net</a>,<br>
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Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] What have you done in 2015 to support<br>
copyright reform?<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:64b2657f3551e01434ed4577d83cd310@mail.emailn.de">64b2657f3551e01434ed4577d83cd310@mail.emailn.de</a>><br>
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Today I wanted to call 3 MEPs via the recently released copyright initiative of La Quadrature du Net: <a href="http://www.laquadrature.net/en/urgent-the-positive-reform-of-copyright-is-being-pirated-in-the-european-parliament" target="_blank">http://www.laquadrature.net/en/urgent-the-positive-reform-of-copyright-is-being-pirated-in-the-european-parliament</a><br>
<br>
Experiences:<br>
La Quadrature provides a fantastic service with this website; it even enables you to call your MEPs for free.<br>
At least in theory, because in my practice the line always was reserved/used by someone else before me.<br>
When I've encountered this situation, then I simply tried to call the MEP regularly... at least in theory, because<br>
in my practice, I've never ever got a direct conversation with an MEP by this way, yet.<br>
I always got to talk with their employees and practicants, so far.<br>
For citizens that's really a shitty experience. But what shall we net activists do ? Take what is there and live with it...<br>
<br>
At first I tried to call Angelika Niebler (PPE, GERMANY); I've agreed with her employee to send her an e-mail where I<br>
tell her my view on the Reda report from my view as author and user.<br>
<br>
Then I tried to call Axel VOSS ( PPE, GERMANY ) and told his employee, who noted my input, that I'd really appreciate it,<br>
if Mr. Voss would support the Reda report, because<br>
architects are breaking copyright all the time in their daily work and can't afford having another complexity layer on their<br>
work by constantly considering that they can't simply put the nice pic found via google search in their commercial architecture<br>
presentation, and that they can't simply modify a font used in their commercial architecture presentation, and need to find<br>
2nd choice alternatives to all of such cases.<br>
Additionally, I've told him that user's daily use of the web needs to be legalized, because there's no valid reason to<br>
not do so, considering that even in the most controversial case, non-commercial filesharing of copyright protected works,<br>
the study of the EU commission said, that it doesn't do harm; and because in general the majority of studies in copyright research<br>
are heading for the same direction if not even showing, that this usage is conductive to business.<br>
<br>
Thirdly I've tried to call Mr. Wieland (PPE, GERMANY) and agreed with his employee that Mr. Wieland will call me back on<br>
the topic, I want to talk with him.<br>
<br>
My biggest fail so far is, that I have managed to bring an NGO to take my input as their own statement and send it to<br>
the MEPs, but I simply still don't gave them the input. I simply don't find the time to do so !!! It's an ass full of work to<br>
create a statement to the Reda Report from the scratch.<br>
Particulaly, as additionally I'm getting engaged in the resurrection of our successful copywrongs initiative by attending<br>
the work meetings every wednesday on the mumble server "Young Pirates EU" on 8 p.m. and doing stuff for the group there;<br>
please also be at these meetings; it's not hard, simply enter mumble, server "Young Pirates EU", at 8 p.m.<br>
<br>
That was my wednesday noon, 17.03.15. I'd like to here reports of you, how you currently are supporting copyright reform.<br>
<br>
<br>
Greetings,<br>
Torben Lechner<br>
<br>
--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---<br>
Von: <<a href="mailto:hyazinthe@emailn.de">hyazinthe@emailn.de</a>><br>
Datum: 23.02.2015 15:54:30<br>
An: <a href="mailto:pp-leaders@lists.pp-international.net">pp-leaders@lists.pp-international.net</a>, <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
Betreff: What have you done in 2015 to support copyright reform?<br>
<br>
> Hi all actors reading this,<br>
><br>
> what have you done in 2015 to support copyright reform in pirate interest?<br>
><br>
><br>
> You know that our aim of a copyright reform making copyright socially balanced<br>
><br>
> and up-to-date is the big bang of the pirate movement; it's the reason why<br>
> we<br>
> are all here and the reason of all pirate structure. It's extremely important,<br>
> that<br>
> we escort the copyright report of our pirate Julia Reda MEP as good as possible<br>
><br>
> through the parlamentary process.<br>
><br>
> So, what have you done ?<br>
><br>
> Have you already look up your country’s MEPs among the<br>
> report’s shadow rapporteurs - <a href="https://juliareda.eu/eu-copyright-evaluation/#shadows" target="_blank">https://juliareda.eu/eu-copyright-evaluation/#shadows</a><br>
> -<br>
> in the Legal Affairs committee - <a href="http://www.europarl.europa.eu/committees/en/juri/members.html" target="_blank">http://www.europarl.europa.eu/committees/en/juri/members.html</a><br>
> -<br>
> (which is driving the report)<br>
> and in the Internal Market - <a href="http://www.europarl.europa.eu/committees/en/imco/members.html" target="_blank">http://www.europarl.europa.eu/committees/en/imco/members.html</a><br>
> -<br>
> and Culture committees - <a href="http://www.europarl.europa.eu/committees/en/cult/members.html" target="_blank">http://www.europarl.europa.eu/committees/en/cult/members.html</a><br>
> - (which are providing opinions)<br>
> and picked up a phone (! far more effective than e-mail) and asked them to<br>
> support the copyright report of Julia Reda ?<br>
><br>
> Or, if you have little time and know how in copyright, have you already told<br>
> the aforementioned MEPs, that<br>
> you've heard about the copyright report by the news and were surprised that<br>
> with this copyright report finally<br>
> the EU seems to do politics in interest of the public, instead of against<br>
> the public ?<br>
><br>
> Have you already told them which additional reform proposals you’d like to<br>
> see in it?<br>
><br>
> Have you already called shadow rapporteur EFDD Laura Ferrara MEP (Italy)<br>
> - <a href="https://juliareda.eu/2014/12/eu-copyright-evaluation/#shadows" target="_blank">https://juliareda.eu/2014/12/eu-copyright-evaluation/#shadows</a> -<br>
> who is the one shadow rapporteur of all shadow rapporteurs, who is most likely<br>
> interested in picking up concrete pirate demands,<br>
> via phone (!) and suggest her to make an amendment to the copyright report<br>
> of Julia Reda, which<br>
> legalizes non-commercial copying and online distribution of copyright protected<br>
> works and<br>
> reasoned with striking arguments like for instance that without this step<br>
> copyright never will<br>
> be accepted by the public or that the majority of copyright studies prompt<br>
> this step, as the majority of<br>
> copyright studies has shown, that non-commercial filesharing is not harmful<br>
> to business, but even<br>
> conductive to business - <a href="https://wiki.laquadrature.net/Studies_on_file_sharing" target="_blank">https://wiki.laquadrature.net/Studies_on_file_sharing</a><br>
> ?<br>
><br>
> Have you already - which would be especially effective - contact your local<br>
> digital rights organization, library association, remix artist or other<br>
> party, which is interested in relaxing copyright, and ask them about their<br>
> plan to support this fight for a copyright reform, which makes<br>
> copyright socially balanced and up-to-date, and offer to help ?<br>
><br>
> Have you already written a critic/statement about the copyright report, in<br>
> which you concretely<br>
> say that the report goes not far enough in making copyright more relaxed,<br>
> and needs to<br>
> contain abolishment of copyright levies, copyright term shortening on 25<br>
> years after a copyright<br>
> protected work got published, legalization of non-commercial filesharing,<br>
> a revision of international<br>
> treaties like the TRIPS agreement, in order to make copyright more relaxed,<br>
> and went with<br>
> this statement to an appropriate NGO and offered them this statement for<br>
> taking it and sending<br>
> it as the NGO's statement to the aforementioned MEPs ?<br>
><br>
> Have you already started discussion threads in external forums about the<br>
> copyright reform<br>
> process and asked the audience, to participate like sketched in the aforementioned<br>
> questions ?<br>
><br>
><br>
> Finally I'd like to empathize, that this thread here is NOT meant to be<br>
> for moaning about the copyright report of our pirate Julia Reda MEP, but<br>
> for looking forward and getting<br>
> active and making the best of the current situationn. So, if someone starts<br>
> going off-topic and moan,<br>
> that the copyright report is not radical enough and too much of a compromise,<br>
> then please ignore it;<br>
> let's keep everything constructive and practically useful.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Greetings,<br>
> Torben Lechner<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 21:14:27 +0100<br>
From: <a href="mailto:internationaal@piratenpartij.nl">internationaal@piratenpartij.nl</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:board@pp-international.net">board@pp-international.net</a><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
Subject: [pp.int.general] Questions to PPI Board from PPNL.<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:ae5ffc2a2c556edcb58f68d9fb1afa91@piratenpartij.nl">ae5ffc2a2c556edcb58f68d9fb1afa91@piratenpartij.nl</a>><br>
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Prior to the upcoming online GA the Dutch Pirate Party has several<br>
questions it would like answered.<br>
Most of these can be answered succinctly in yes / no or a link to the<br>
relevant pages, and it would be much preferred if they were answered<br>
thus.<br>
<br>
1) We would like to know how PP-DE's international co-ordinator annex<br>
board member procured the motion to alternative medicine. Though<br>
partially answered in the recent piratetimes article, we would like<br>
these answered for clarity.<br>
1.1) If this motion is part of PPDE's program and is explicitly<br>
supported by PPDE (or an individual idea of PPDE international<br>
coordinator.)<br>
1.2) And if so, where we can find this in the program, and the<br>
proceedings by which this position on alternative medicine was reached.<br>
1.3) If not, why this motion is on the international agenda.<br>
1.4) Lastly, why PPDE thinks such a subject should be internationally<br>
upheld by pirate parties, as pirate parties can advocate information<br>
politics perfectly well without, or even on a contradictory stance to<br>
alternative medicine.<br>
1.5) Bluntly put: Why does PPDE feel that with all the recent commotion<br>
regarding its board members, that this policy subject has enough<br>
priority that is must be taken care of on this online GA, while at the<br>
same time there seems no time for discussing structural problems in ppi.<br>
<br>
2) We have seen several board members bringing in complaints and grounds<br>
for removal against one another. We would like clarified:<br>
2.1) Which board members have been thus indicted.<br>
2.2) And where the formal complaints are to be found.<br>
2.3) As well as any ruling by the CoA on these matters.<br>
<br>
3) The board has refused to accept PPAU's departure of PPI pending a<br>
formal letter which PPAU has no intention of sending on grounds of<br>
principle. Clarification is requested on:<br>
3.1) If indeed this is the sole ground for refusing to acknowledge their<br>
departure.<br>
3.2) If not, what other grounds exist to contest this fait accompli.<br>
3.3) What is accomplished by refusing their departure on this ground?<br>
3.4) How the board sees this impasse resolved.<br>
3.5) Most importantly, why is the format/style of the resignation the<br>
primary concern instead of the fact ppau wants to leave?<br>
<br>
4) We note that the Australian proposal for an online assembly have been<br>
ignored in favour of a mumble meeting type of proceeding.<br>
4.1) On what grounds were these RoP preferred?<br>
<br>
5) It has come to our attention that the new bank account of PPI is<br>
actually PP-LU's. We would like to have clarified:<br>
5.1) If indeed this new account is on the name of PPLU.<br>
5.2) And if it is PPI or PPLU who ultimately holds the keys.<br>
5.3) If the previous PPI account is salvaged, or lost.<br>
5.4) If PPI has a bank account on it's own name.<br>
<br>
P.S. German board added in bcc with regards to question 1.<br>
<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 00:52:22 +0100<br>
From: <<a href="mailto:hyazinthe@emailn.de">hyazinthe@emailn.de</a>><br>
To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br>
<<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Questions to PPI Board from PPNL.<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:c409619ee0e7286f84177cb705516fba@mail.emailn.de">c409619ee0e7286f84177cb705516fba@mail.emailn.de</a>><br>
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I'm just a normal basic pirate party member in Germany, I'm not a board member. The implications<br>
of these questions look pretty obscure to me:<br>
<br>
1. The PPDE promotes evidence based medicine and correspondingly<br>
rather rejects homeopathy and such stuff, for which effect there is<br>
no evidence.<br>
2. Health politics is something, that we have, but which definitively doesn't belong to our<br>
core topics.<br>
<br>
So, just with these both points said, the implications of your questions look to me like<br>
one, single individual in the process made personal agenda setting, which is not in<br>
consent with the pirate party Germany and would cause great internal argument once<br>
publicly presented; for instance in a big mumble round "oh, btw, people, in the name of<br>
you all I've made a stand for non-evidence based medicine on international level; core topics FTW" >>> shit storm certain in 3, 2, 1...<br>
<br>
I think it's important, that direct board members of the PPDE will have a look at this...<br>
have you really contacted the board with your questions ? So, <a href="mailto:vorstand@piratenpartei.de">vorstand@piratenpartei.de</a> ?<br>
<br>
<br>
Greetings,<br>
Torben Lechner<br>
<br>
--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---<br>
Von: <a href="mailto:internationaal@piratenpartij.nl">internationaal@piratenpartij.nl</a><br>
Datum: 17.03.2015 21:14:27<br>
An: <a href="mailto:board@pp-international.net">board@pp-international.net</a><br>
Betreff: [pp.int.general] Questions to PPI Board from PPNL.<br>
<br>
> Prior to the upcoming online GA the Dutch Pirate Party has several<br>
> questions it would like answered.<br>
> Most of these can be answered succinctly in yes / no or a link to the<br>
> relevant pages, and it would be much preferred if they were answered<br>
> thus.<br>
><br>
> 1) We would like to know how PP-DE's international co-ordinator annex<br>
> board member procured the motion to alternative medicine. Though<br>
> partially answered in the recent piratetimes article, we would like<br>
> these answered for clarity.<br>
> 1.1) If this motion is part of PPDE's program and is explicitly<br>
> supported by PPDE (or an individual idea of PPDE international<br>
> coordinator.)<br>
> 1.2) And if so, where we can find this in the program, and the<br>
> proceedings by which this position on alternative medicine was reached.<br>
> 1.3) If not, why this motion is on the international agenda.<br>
> 1.4) Lastly, why PPDE thinks such a subject should be internationally<br>
> upheld by pirate parties, as pirate parties can advocate information<br>
> politics perfectly well without, or even on a contradictory stance to<br>
> alternative medicine.<br>
> 1.5) Bluntly put: Why does PPDE feel that with all the recent commotion<br>
><br>
> regarding its board members, that this policy subject has enough<br>
> priority that is must be taken care of on this online GA, while at the<br>
> same time there seems no time for discussing structural problems in ppi.<br>
><br>
><br>
> 2) We have seen several board members bringing in complaints and grounds<br>
><br>
> for removal against one another. We would like clarified:<br>
> 2.1) Which board members have been thus indicted.<br>
> 2.2) And where the formal complaints are to be found.<br>
> 2.3) As well as any ruling by the CoA on these matters.<br>
><br>
> 3) The board has refused to accept PPAU's departure of PPI pending a<br>
> formal letter which PPAU has no intention of sending on grounds of<br>
> principle. Clarification is requested on:<br>
> 3.1) If indeed this is the sole ground for refusing to acknowledge their<br>
><br>
> departure.<br>
> 3.2) If not, what other grounds exist to contest this fait accompli.<br>
> 3.3) What is accomplished by refusing their departure on this ground?<br>
> 3.4) How the board sees this impasse resolved.<br>
> 3.5) Most importantly, why is the format/style of the resignation the<br>
> primary concern instead of the fact ppau wants to leave?<br>
><br>
> 4) We note that the Australian proposal for an online assembly have been<br>
><br>
> ignored in favour of a mumble meeting type of proceeding.<br>
> 4.1) On what grounds were these RoP preferred?<br>
><br>
> 5) It has come to our attention that the new bank account of PPI is<br>
> actually PP-LU's. We would like to have clarified:<br>
> 5.1) If indeed this new account is on the name of PPLU.<br>
> 5.2) And if it is PPI or PPLU who ultimately holds the keys.<br>
> 5.3) If the previous PPI account is salvaged, or lost.<br>
> 5.4) If PPI has a bank account on it's own name.<br>
><br>
> P.S. German board added in bcc with regards to question 1.<br>
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