<div dir="ltr">All early pirate parties where found based upon the Swedish "Declaration of PRINCIPLES".<div>It's the quest for ideology by a small elite supported by a old-left mob that is undermining the very foundation of the "pirate party" existence. <br><br>/Samir</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-12-09 19:05 GMT+01:00 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pp.international.general-request@lists.pirateweb.net" target="_blank">pp.international.general-request@lists.pirateweb.net</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send pp.international.general mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. What's the minimal set of axioms for piratic ideology? (Cal.)<br>
2. Re: What's the minimal set of axioms for piratic ideology?<br>
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3. Re: What's the minimal set of axioms for piratic ideology?<br>
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4. Re: What's the minimal set of axioms for piratic ideology?<br>
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5. Re: What's the minimal set of axioms for piratic ideology?<br>
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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2015 15:56:33 +0000<br>
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Pirate Parties have no piratic ideology because they aren't pirate.<br>
They are the most common and conventional people on Earth.<br>
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The only way to progress is to admit the real state of things.<br>
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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 17:43:53 +0000<br>
From: Antonio Garcia <<a href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] What's the minimal set of axioms for<br>
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Most certain. None of the present breed knows of the Pirate Codex anymore.<br>
Just a few bastards hanging on to past extorqued privileges trying to ride a wave of naieve and ignorant kids trying to squat the pirate brand.<br>
A democratically unmendable #IDIOCRAZY.<br>
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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 14:56:55 -0300<br>
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You are referring to this codex?<br>
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<a href="https://blog.pirates-without-borders.org/pirate-codex/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.pirates-without-borders.org/pirate-codex/</a><br>
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but if we want to reduce a sentence or word, it is essentially freedom<br>
not for some, but for everyone. It is what makes us distinctly different<br>
from the liberal and / or neoliberal.<br>
If you want a free society, you can not have a weak state, freedom and<br>
state are<br>
not antonyms.<br>
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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 18:14:52 +0000<br>
From: Antonio Garcia <<a href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>><br>
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Yes, the Codex basically says informed and consenting freedom.<br>
Sadly for some... this includes to be free of the tyrany of an ignorant and naieve, merely numerical majority that cares a fuck about logic, ethic, laws, rules, and even plain intelligence.<br>
<a href="https://samedokan.wordpress.com/2014/05/10/when-pirates-do-prefer-censorship/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://samedokan.wordpress.com/2014/05/10/when-pirates-do-prefer-censorship/</a><br>
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Taking over the brand does not make you into pirates... it only makes fools of those that consented it.<br>
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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 14:56:55 -0300<br>
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Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] What's the minimal set of axioms for piratic ideology?<br>
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You are referring to this codex?<br>
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<a href="https://blog.pirates-without-borders.org/pirate-codex/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.pirates-without-borders.org/pirate-codex/</a><br>
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Nevertheless<br>
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but if we want to reduce a sentence or word, it is essentially freedom<br>
not for some, but for everyone. It is what makes us distinctly different from the liberal and / or neoliberal.<br>
If you want a free society, you can not have a weak state, freedom and state are not antonyms.<br>
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Which is pretty much why the state /is/ an antonym of freedom.<br>
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Op 09/12/2015 om 19:14 schreef Antonio Garcia:<br>
> Yes, the Codex basically says informed and consenting freedom.<br>
> Sadly for some... this includes to be free of the tyrany of an<br>
> ignorant and naieve, merely numerical majority that cares a fuck<br>
> about logic, ethic, laws, rules, and even plain intelligence.<br>
> <a href="https://samedokan.wordpress.com/2014/05/10/when-pirates-do-prefer-cens
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> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 14:56:55 -0300 From:<br>
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> but if we want to reduce a sentence or word, it is essentially<br>
> freedom not for some, but for everyone. It is what makes us<br>
> distinctly different from the liberal and / or neoliberal. If you<br>
> want a free society, you can not have a weak state, freedom and<br>
> state are not antonyms.<br>
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