<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:14px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477345484938_31256" dir="ltr">That depends how " Crispr " develops, we could serioüsly have super humans soon, genetically remastered?</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477345484938_31359" dir="ltr">best regards</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477345484938_31358" dir="ltr">Mickey Sinclair</div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> Paul Tidwell <pmtidwell@gmail.com> schrieb am 17:30 Montag, 24.Oktober 2016:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv9977947100"><div><div dir="ltr">For clarification do you think robots are going to fundamentally change the market order?<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Like it will take people's jobs and it won't create new ones because <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU</a>?</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I think we would be better to push this discussion onto IRC or something though given the amount of people who are just like UGH SPAM, unsub.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I'm logging onto the server. I'm over in #ppi</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>as Daeros.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><div class="yiv9977947100yqt9964272411" id="yiv9977947100yqt19868"><div class="yiv9977947100gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv9977947100gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 6:11 AM, carlo von lynX <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lynX@pirate.my.buttharp.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lynX@pirate.my.buttharp.org">lynX@pirate.my.buttharp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv9977947100gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><span class="yiv9977947100">On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 04:24:36AM -0700, Paul Tidwell wrote:<br clear="none">
> Part of the problem with populism though is that even using that word in<br clear="none">
> the modern political world is weaponize d and charged in a way that's<br clear="none">
> highly misleading.<br clear="none">
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</span>Hum, my guess would be that recovering the word "populism" for<br clear="none">
a good purpose is a bit of a lost cause. Until recently I didn't<br clear="none">
even know there is a positive way to define it. I always thought<br clear="none">
it means the same as demagoguery.<br clear="none">
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Based on the thinking I described in the previous mail, I see<br clear="none">
difficulty in connecting "populism" with a "rational" and fact-<br clear="none">
based approach to participatory politics. But, if populism<br clear="none">
remains the exercise of selling simplified solutions to complex<br clear="none">
problems to the populace, then I don't see how doing it from<br clear="none">
"the left" is conceptually so much better than doing it from<br clear="none">
the right. I'm afraid it actually reduces the chances of doing<br clear="none">
"good" politics altogether.<br clear="none">
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I think in 2012 we had a real chance of making the process of<br clear="none">
democracy the topic of conversation rather than simplifications<br clear="none">
of the complexity of reality. The idea that we should upgrade the<br clear="none">
operating system of democracy really stuck with a lot of people,<br clear="none">
driving our popularity in surveys up to some 13% in Germany. I<br clear="none">
hope this is actually the driving force behind the popularity<br clear="none">
of Pirates in Iceland.<br clear="none">
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I don't think it is actually helpful in the "migration crisis"<br clear="none">
to have a public debate about varying symptoms of migration<br clear="none">
when the issue is complex enough to actually deserve a deep<br clear="none">
and competent debate on the reform of our economic system. But<br clear="none">
if that is over the top of the general population, it is better<br clear="none">
to focus on *how* our democratic processus works and have that<br clear="none">
be a subject of public discourse rather than the symptoms of a<br clear="none">
broken economic system, the symptoms of a complex reality<br clear="none">
rather than the reality underneath.<br clear="none">
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Then again, all the documentaries that have come out in the<br clear="none">
last few years are being very helpful to educate the popula-<br clear="none">
tion on how in detail our economic system is broken. They<br clear="none">
*are* getting more competent at comprehending the complexity<br clear="none">
behind the symptoms. But still it is a minority doing so. The<br clear="none">
majority will insist on enjoying lazy prejudices and then<br clear="none">
there is also the continous work of manipulatory forces<br clear="none">
spreading stupid thinking like "Yes, robots will steal our<br clear="none">
jobs, but don’t worry, we’ll get new ones"<br clear="none">
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Making the rationality and quality of the legislational<br clear="none">
process the topic of discourse rather than the treatment<br clear="none">
of symptoms of bad legislation, that would also keep<br clear="none">
the methods of manipulation in people's focus rather<br clear="none">
than allowing it to effect.<br clear="none">
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