[pp.int.general] Fwd: an international TOR-associations' network and other ideas (was: wireless Tor entry nodes ( WOR´s )

Sat Dec 8 17:29:25 CET 2007

Thanks for mentioning.

I'd like to add a few words about the technical nature of this project. In the 
first place it seems not to fit in a classical political action scheme (of a 
party). But I think it is an issue of ourselves because:

a) Code is law. If our political movement is more than a dead born child we 
have to anticipate this and create politics aware of juristical and technical 
dimension of the problems to solve.

b) Anonymity is more about user eduction than about technics. Enlighting 
people about the nature of information (the emergent (,future?) substance of 
our society) is our duty. In lectures I hold, anonymity, privacy and 
awareness of the physical value of personal information have been proven to 
be a key for opening people for advanced information ethics.

c) The society needs free speech. Already fear of surveillance objects to it.

d) If we create broadly used, anonymous spaces than we have a distinct media 
advance in there.

But nonetheless on this list we should not focus o any technical aspects. They 
must not disable our conventional political actions. But hopefully in your 
country (as in Germany) you have a lot of pirates keen on technics refusing 
to do conventional political work :-)

Therefore Ricardo forgot to underline the two important links in his mail:

http://wiki.freunde-der-freiheit.de/index.php/TOR-Campaign
^^ wiki to get in touch with collaborators

http://lists.freiheitskunst.de/mailman/listinfo/tor
^^ english mailing list where the project is driven forward

Regards,
Jan Huwald
German PP

Am Donnerstag, 6. Dezember 2007 14:26:27 schrieb Ricardo Cristof 
Remmert-Fontes:
> Hi fellow pirates!
>
> I suppose, this could be a nice international campaigning idea for
> us, too - actually, I have already talked about that to Jan Huwald,
> who is also on board.
>
> The idea, in general, is, to set up a network of associations and
> supporters, who will setup and drive a huge TOR-infrastructure -
> maybe with additional i2p- or alike components.
>
> It's subversive, but will bring a lot of publicity. And reliable and
> fast anonymization services to the masses.
>
> Regards,
> Cristof
>
> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
> > Von: Ricardo Cristof Remmert-Fontes <ricardo.cristof at remmert-
> > fontes.de>
> > Datum: 6. Dezember 2007 14:22:17 MEZ
> > An: "Michael Schmidt" <schmidtm524 at googlemail.com>
> > Kopie: or-talk at freehaven.net, Die Liste für technische Fragen zur
> > Infrastruktur des AK-Vorratsdatenspeicherung <technik at ak-vds.de>,
> > ValiDOM <vali2007 at validom.de>, tor at freiheitskunst.de
> > Betreff: Re: an international TOR-associations' network and other
> > ideas (was: wireless Tor entry nodes (WOR´s)
> >
> > TOC:
> > 1. Introduction; Sorry, I am late
> > 2. Spreading TOR, parallel options
> > 3. Liability, cooperations
> > 4. Money
> > 5.Let's work together!
> >
> > Hi folks!
> >
> > Below is a new input from Michael Schmidt - which I would take as a
> > new starting point for a discussion about where to go.
> >
> > 1. Introduction; Sorry, I am late:
> > I am very sorry, that I didn't show up earlier again, but I had to
> > organize the large protests of 22.09. in Berlin (largest demo in
> > Germany about democracy for over 18 years!) and then a national
> > protesting campaign, where I coordinated the parallel protests in
> > over 43 cities throughout germany on 06.11. to stop data retention
> > - a lot of work, but a lot of fun...
> > You may find more about me (in german) and my political engagements at
> > http://cristof.remmert-fontes.de
> >
> >
> > 2. Spreading TOR, parallel options
> > However... I believe, we have to cooperate across political,
> > geographical and ideological borders and we have to run a
> > heterogene strategy.
> >
> > With the TOR-Campaign with the working title "Volksempfänger
> > 2.0" (mentioned by Michael), we had three goals:
> > - setting up several huge TOR-Nodes
> > - Develop and distribute easy-to-use one-click-install-software for
> > wlan/dsl-routers
> > - produce pre-configured routers (optional, costs a lot of money)
> >
> > The problem at the last two goals is the question of liability.
> > Our idea was to build a network of associations, which will get
> > legal "owner" of the routers, so the (technical owner has to become
> > member of those associations, the router will become property of
> > the associations. A little bit the "FON"-modell, but we are the
> > good guys... :-)
> >
> > This can be combined with the idea of Michael Schmidt, which I
> > believe is a pretty cool idea!
> >
> >
> > 3. Liability, cooperations
> > This to-be-build network of national associations, which should be
> > build on a national level with lawyer's and journalists's
> > associations as chair members, may also overtake (in legal terms)
> > the ownership of huge TOR-Nodes or set up new huge Nodes.
> >
> > In several european countries, unfortunately, the owner of the
> > router has to log traffic data as by the german adoption of the EC-
> > directive on data retention.
> >
> > But if some well-reputated organisatiosn are members and owner, we
> > may face less hard repression and may stand some precedence cases,
> > if we don't.
> >
> >
> > In germany, the German Privacy Foundation (where I am founding
> > member and co-chairman) drives one TOR-Node ("awxcnx") and will
> > drive some more in the near future.
> > An official press-release and presentation will follow next days.
> >
> > We are talking with other associations to maybe do right this:
> > setting up more TOR-Nodes and withstand legal repression.
> >
> > Actually, we cannot provide legal assistance to admins of tor nodes
> > other than our members - but: if we build up a network of
> > associations?
> >
> >
> > We may develop and discuss this campaign at:
> > http://wiki.freunde-der-freiheit.de/index.php/TOR-Campaign
> > This is a wiki, so everyone can edit it - and we may change the
> > name, whjy not? ;-)
> >
> > I talked to Alex from Freifunk and asked him for help building a
> > prototype-software with an easy interface for dummies. The idea
> > was, to present this at the 24c3 - so, we have 3 weeks to go for
> > that :-)
> > (ahem, sorry, Alex, that I didn't send you a message before... is
> > this goal possible? I would really )
> >
> >
> > 4. Money
> > Therefore, the most important issue is: money for running huge TOR-
> > Nodes.
> >
> >
> > As I heard, there have been some communicational misunderstandings
> > (ehm... *g*) between those, who say, a community project must stay
> > non-commercial and those, who say, we need money and we may make
> > personal profit of it.
> >
> > Well... you may kick+ban me, but I believe: the commercial
> > developers of TOR need the creative input and support of the non-
> > commercial community _and_ the non-commercial community needs
> > reliable TOR-servers, which costs money.
> >
> >
> > 5.Let's work together!
> > And the public, the man-on-the-street, needs trustworthy, reliable
> > and fast TOR as the actual political agenda of data retention,
> > surveillance and intelligence endangers democratic participation
> > and though a stable and free society.
> >
> > So, I would kindly ask all of you to join forces, to cooperate and
> > work together. The community may develop and controll the
> > development, the commercial partners may sell services to the
> > economy and run a lot of stable and trustworthy hardware.
> >
> >
> > What shall we do now? It's on you, I suppose... :-)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Cristof
> >
> > Am 05.12.2007 um 20:47 schrieb Michael Schmidt:
> >> one idea is, that tor is running on wireless routers with open Wlans,
> >> which then are choosing an exit node in a foreign country.
> >> This would lead to the approach, that in each city has an open
> >> wlan with a tor node, which reflects to another countries Tor IP.
> >> There was the german initiative of making Routers to
> >> "Volksempfänger", maybe they should be called wireless "port-
> >> stations" or  "Wor"s - Wireless Onion Routers.
> >> Would that be an idea for that network?
>
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