[pp.int.general] PPI like an International Party (the first?)

[Andrew Norton]

I for one am not sure what you mean - could you elaborate more, please. what do you mean by "accept filiations like a national party."

Andrew
PPUS

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:07:42 -0300, "machado at sociologia.de" <machado at sociologia.de> wrote:
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> Hi pirates,
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> Considering the case of USA, I think other countries will have a similar
> problem.
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> Maybe will sounds crazy what I will say, I suggest that the PP
> International could work and accept filiations like a national party.
> Its mean that PPI could be the first International party of the world!
> (if I am not wrong). In my point of view, it's a very good way to get
> the media attention and so help the promotion of the national parties as
> well as to fortify our global union, whose cause is international.
> 
> It's also sounds very humanistic (without irony) in times of "war
> against the terrorism" and in a scenario of serious threats to freedom
> at a global level. I think we will get a sympathy of a lot of people
> around the wourld. Possibility, many people will filliate firstly in PPI
> than the local Pirate Party - that should be estructured before.
> 
> Any citzen of the planet could become a member of PPI! We could have as
> symbol a pirate flag over the Earth globe. I think the pirates did not
> recognize borders. ; )
> 
> All the Best,
> 
> Jorge
> PP Brazil
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> Ray Jenson escreveu:
>> Jens Seipenbusch wrote:
>>> Hi Ray,
>>>
>>> we have similar problems here in germany, i can only give you the
> advice
>>> to use the web like blogs, bulletin boards, community sites etc. to
>>> advertise it.
>>
>> Been doing that to no avail.
>>
>>
>>> Of course, if possible, get some supporters to check out shopping
>>> centers or other crowded places.
>>
>> People here seem to be afraid of representing us in a state which is
>> (and has always been) dominated by one of the two major parties here.
>> It's as though we're conspiring to mutiny or something.
>>
>>
>>> Maybe you can contact local groups of linux users or other
> tech-oriented
>>> clubs, which could bring you several signatures at once.
>>
>> Okay, this just got very long. Apologies to everyone for the length I'm
>> about to write. I'm about to explain everything to date.
>>
>> Tried that, too, and got an icy response from them when they had their
>> convention in September. It's as though I was asking them if I could
>> come in and advertise Microsoft or something, they simply didn't take me
>> seriously. Maybe they thought I was asking them for money. I don't know,
>> I can't think of anything else.
>>
>> In addition, when I tried to get a permit to hold a rally (as I'm
>> required to by law because we're not an official political party yet and
>> not recognized by Utah), I was told I had to get USD$25 million in
>> insurance (which would only have cost me the equivalent of about a
>> thousand euro for the one day I wanted to do things). I was also told
>> that I wouldn't be allowed to bring in any kind of public address unless
>> I also insured it separately, and I certainly wouldn't be permitted to
>> give any kind of public address. I would be allowed to merely stand
>> there quietly until people came up and talked to me. If I did anything
>> otherwise, they would revoke the permit and the police would ask me to
>> leave.
>>
>> I tried to post a paper on the public bulletin board in the town where I
>> live (an actual corkboard where I could have a paper), and they told me
>> that I couldn't post anything related to politics (though they didn't
>> appear to have a problem with the mayor's re-election campaign notice).
>>
>> When I very first started doing this, I was volunteering at a homeless
>> shelter, and I recruited a homeless man to assist me. While out
>> collecting signatures for the petition for statehood, he was pelted by
>> apples. Walking through the neighborhood, I was not pelted the first few
>> times, until I started actively trying to collect signatures at which
>> time I was likewise pelted with these apples. The police officer told me
>> that although he couldn't prove it, it was likely that their parents,
>> who work for the local branch of a recording company and are members of
>> ASCAP (per a sticker on their front window), likely put the kids up to
>> it. Needless to say, I shudder to think of what lesson those children
>> might have learned.
>>
>> Since then, we've issued 6 press releases, 2 opinion editorials (both
>> unpublished), and actually had one saboteur (who succeeded in destroying
>> the group that I had created in Utah so far).
>>
>> Though we get great coverage through technical sources (such as
>> Torrenfreak, for example), mainstream media seems to largely be trying
>> to ignore us. These are the very people who need our help the most, and
>> they don't even know who we are. We need to do something about this, but
>> I'm at a loss as to what.
>>
>> I have a slot at the local library for a two-hour class (just got it
>> reserved today, as a matter of fact), though I'm not sure that people
>> will even want to pay attention. I hope they will, though I'm not sure
>> how to accomplish getting the attention needed for it. We're going to
>> have a voter registration drive, and I'm going to give a presentation
>> based somewhat on Rick's speeches to Google and at OSCon. However, if
>> nobody is there to listen, giving a speech won't be really be practical.
>>
>> I'm also going to be getting a Utah web site together, just as soon as
>> we can get everything else rolling.
>>
>> There are currently 43 signatures that I've personally collected: not
>> quite enough for the 2000 that I need. I want to try a signature drive
>> online, as well, though the big issue I have is that the state requires
>> a lot of very personal, private information (such as street address and
>> voter registration number, neither of which I should think we'd need,
>> but it's a matter of ensuring that people don't vote twice, according to
>> the Lieutenant Governor).
>>
>> Also, I was speaking to the Lieutenant Governor's office here, and I've
>> been told that the collection of this information is not only mandatory,
>> it's the least amount of information that any state in the United States
>> collects. Most collect a social number, driver's license or ID card
>> number, and the name of the employer as well ("...for security...").
>>
>> I'm up against a tidal wave of corrupt politics and special interests,
>> as well, I've been told that a lobby group here in Utah who has been
>> known to favor the positions of the entertainment industry in, spite of
>> their claims to be unrelated, have started to try to lobby to prevent
>> new political parties from having such an easy time of it in Utah. They
>> want to double the requirement to establish the new political party, and
>> increase the percentage needed to maintain political party status. In
>> addition, this group has also decided that they will never confront me
>> directly, and refuses to speak to me. This group has a majority of the
>> senate seats already. In addition, they have gerrymandered the state's
>> political boundaries so as to maintain their control base.
>> Gerrymandering in the United States, by the way, is not only common
>> practice but also encouraged because it's not against the law.
>>
>> I've been speaking to the candidates for political office here, as well.
>> Most of them have policies that agree with out positions. However, most
>> of them are also against the idea that another political party is
>> needed. They are blinded by the idea that their own parties, whomever
>> they may be, are the best solution possible to the current situation.
>> They consistently try to send me information that will "win me over" to
>> their side. Not one of them has offered me any assistance with regard to
>> patent or copyright issues, though one has stated that if he gets into
>> office, he'd be willing to listen to strategies for reform of the
>> current laws, even as he couldn't make any guarantees that they'd change
>> a lot because the President of the United States does not make the laws
>> for the people here.
>>
>> The mayor of my city is corrupt. I cannot speak to him.
>>
>> The person running against him, however, is a former member of his
>> cabinet, and she's been pointing out his corruptions, though the local
>> newspaper doesn't really care about her either. Speaking to her, she is
>> not going to be much better, simply because she doesn't have a concept
>> of what benefit transparency has to a local governing body.
>>
>> Elections are on the 6th of November.
>>
>> So... now that you know the ENTIRE story, any ideas about what could be
>> done will be welcome.
>>
>> Thanks, and I hope to hear back again soon... with only 120 days left,
>> it's going to be a solidly uphill battle to get to the high ground...
>> even though the high ground already belongs to me, since I'm working to
>> expand the rights of people.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Ray Jenson
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