[pp.int.general] where is the manifesto?

[Reinier Bakels]

I would recommend you to look at the positive side of my recommendation: addressing the dreadful opaque, perhaps even corrupt political decision making process, in particular by the EU. We need action, no philosophies.

In another mail I addressed the human rights aspect. If you consider expropriation without compensation, yes, then you violate human rights.
 
----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Carlos Ayala Vargas 
  To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 10:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] where is the manifesto?


  Reinier Bakels wrote: 
    After the section on human rights, there is a sharp break, when the manifesto dives into the individual "intellectual property" systems. I believe it suffers from some important flaws. Rather than advocating abolishment, I would suggest to focus on the lack of balancing of interests, and the opaque, corrupt decision making process, in particular at the EU level.
  Reinier is distorting facts: abolition of the intellectual pro...whatever concept doesn't imply at all abolition of author's rights. UN's ESC explicitly states that one thing is author's rights -human rights according to UN's ESC- and a different thing is the intellectual pro...whatever -what can never be a human right and only answer to corporate interests-. Read, Reinier, read ... read the UN papers ... document yourself, prior to making such statements.

  That's what Reinier pretends, to purportedly show us as indecent villains who would be "violating human rights", because of what we would be doomed. Come on, Reinier ... accusations like "'intellectual property' deserves protection against expropriation in a decent society", "depriving people from 'intellectual property' without compensation would violate human rights", "a literal interpretation of the above UDHR provision would mean the end of PP" (by the way, PIRATA is not PP, as PP is for Spanish folks the Popular Party, part of European PP; we, in the international scope and together, are PPI), etc, are for me nonsensical and offensive, and show that Reinier doesn't pay attention to other's arguments or supplied documentation. Regards,


                                                                                                      Carlos Ayala
                                                                                                      ( Aiarakoa )

                                                                                Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman

  P.S.: One hopes to visit this mailing lists to be able to work, and also to debate; though not to be nonsensically called indecent, human rights violator, etc. Of course that Reinier can disagree with PPI views; however, I think that there are other ways to do it.



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