[pp.int.general] where is the manifesto?
r.bakels at planet.nl
Thu Dec 25 20:32:34 CET 2008
Perhaps the confusion is simple. A conceptual distinction must be made
between THE copyright law, and A (subjective) copyright. The former (i.e.
the rules) can - of course - be changed. Legislators may decide tomorrow (or
right after Christmas) that new works will not be covered by copyright
anymore (well, the supporters of the UN view will protest - and,
realistically, we talk about changes rather than plain abolishment). It is
the latter type of right (not law) that is protected by human rights
In the imaginary case that copyright is abolished tomorrow, then it will
continue to cover works created until today, for life+70 years. Unless the
copyright owners will be compensated. But - like in any other case of
expropriation - the procedure is not easy. If someone is not willing to
agree voluntarily on a compensation, then it is probably up to a court to
decide. But such an operation is will simply not be affordable, especially
in a time of financial crisis.
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Üdvözlettel, Pozdrowienia, Kumusta, Adios, Oan't sjen, Ave, Doei, Yassou,
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>>> REINIER B. BAKELS PhD LL.M. MSc
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard M Stallman" <rms at gnu.org>
To: "Reinier Bakels" <r.bakels at planet.nl>
Cc: <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] where is the manifesto?
> But existing rights must be =
> respected until they expire - or the owner must be compensated. The =
> reason is actually pretty obvious. If I write something, I get the =
> copyright, and I may sell the copyright to someone else, e.g. the =
> publisher. Because he has paid the money, he can expect the government
> to protect his purchase.
> Of course, a true pirate will wonder
> That position amounts to a blanket defense of privatization above
> human rights. Ethically it must be rejected. Legally it must be
> To reduce the term of copyright only for future works is insufficient.
> The Pirate Party must confront the injustice of that position, and the
> invalid ethical premises it is based on, or else abandon its principal
> There is only one stand to take: if copyright can be lengthened then
> it can be shortened. If copyright power can be increased then it can
> be decreased.
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