[pp.int.general] where is the manifesto?

David Arcos david.arcos at gmail.com
Mon Dec 29 17:37:46 CET 2008

Don't call them "Human Rights", call them "Civil Rights" instead.

Our "cyber-rights" are nothing but a part of the Civil Rights.
MAFIAA is bad because it's violating our privacity, freedom of speech,
discrimination, fair investigation & trial, etc.
I'm pretty sure that the *"OMG free moviez & warez LOL"* is not the main
issue for most of the pirates, am I right?

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Reinier Bakels <r.bakels at pr.unimaas.nl>wrote:

> Sorry, I believe one of the central purposes of PP is to oppose RIAA and
> IFPI. Well, they may have more dollars, but on the other hand PP is more
> popular. RIAA and IFPI have a very negative image. And remember, thee
> software patent directive was rejected by activism, against Microsoft,
> Siemens and Philips.
> IMHO this shouoldbe the focus of PP, rather than "human rights". In some
> interpretations, human rights "require" all works to get strong and long
> copyright protection! And in the debate about data retention vs. privacy,
> the proponents of data retention explained that DR helps to protect the
> human rights, of citizens against terrorists, and of artists against "theft"
> of copyright.
> In sum, the human rights argument is 1) weak, because often abused 2) even
> dangerous because it could equally serve as an argument PRO copyright and
> patents!
> reinier
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