[pp.int.general] where is the manifesto?

[Reinier Bakels]

Sorry, I believe one of the central purposes of PP is to oppose RIAA and IFPI. Well, they may have more dollars, but on the other hand PP is more popular. RIAA and IFPI have a very negative image. And remember, thee software patent directive was rejected by activism, against Microsoft, Siemens and Philips.

IMHO this shouoldbe the focus of PP, rather than "human rights". In some interpretations, human rights "require" all works to get strong and long copyright protection! And in the debate about data retention vs. privacy, the proponents of data retention explained that DR helps to protect the human rights, of citizens against terrorists, and of artists against "theft" of copyright.

In sum, the human rights argument is 1) weak, because often abused 2) even dangerous because it could equally serve as an argument PRO copyright and patents! 

reinier     
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Will Pomes 
  To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk 
  Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 3:15 PM
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  But this sort of solution only ends up placing us diametrically opposed companies and groups like the ifpi and riaa, on one of our greatest weaknesses, on one of their greatest strengths, a dollar for dollar legislative/lobbying arms race.

  To do this, we would become much more like the pro piracy group piratbyran then we exist as we do now, as a political party.

  in other words, to do so would be to lose sight of our goals. but thats just my opinion.


  On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:46 AM, Reinier Bakels <r.bakels at pr.unimaas.nl> wrote:



    You are quite right that thiscan be a major problem. The solution imho is to solve the problem at the front door, not at the back door. yes, I am aware that there is a process called "rent-seeking" (in the specific sense of the term) which is the process of (usually big) corporations influencing politics to adopts statutues that are favourable to them. That process must be stopped - and a simmple way to do is imho to put counterweight on the balance, AND THE  PP IS IDEALLY SUITED TO DO THAT. Repairing dreadful legislation afterwards is (much more) cumbersome.

    reinier 

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