[pp.int.general] Resale rights and 2001/84/EC directive: obscenely enlarging material interests of authors

[Reinier Bakels]

I think you are becoming rude now. You can't blame me for you being stubborn. If you want to pursue your route via human rights, you should join the community of legal science, and argue respecting the full deontology of science. For political purposes, such arguments are not useful. or do you have a different experience?

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>>> REINIER B. BAKELS PhD LL.M. MSc
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Carlos Ayala Vargas 
  To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Resale rights and 2001/84/EC directive: obscenely enlarging material interests of authors


  Reinier Bakels wrote: 
    Well, apparently I can not convince Carlos, but I would urge all other pirates to be very careful in using human rigghts arguments, basically for the following reasons:
    1. they are not always convicing
  If you find yourself not being convincing while defending human rights, maybe you should consider to change your rhetoric rather than blaming the human rights themselves. I think many -even most- pirates are convinced.

  Maybe it's just a matter of communication between you and the rest of citizens; I would suggest you to think about it.

    2. they may lead to arguments completely contrary to the PP political agenda.
  They may lead to lies -made with twisted interpretations- spread by lobbies like RMOs and such; I think our duty is to counter those lies, rather than fleeing from that arena.

    Politics are not the place to try your skill in making intellectual arguments. Note that - even among lawyers who support the PP objectives - there is no doubt that (honestly!) some human rights arguments actually are in favour of stronger IP.
  You too often speak on behalf of people who doesn't agree with you. Talk with David Bravo and some other Spanish lawyers, specialized in author's rights issues, and there is no doubt -:)- that you'll discover how wrong you are.

    A proper analysis requires a complicated legal theoretical account. Human rights are often conflicting, so it is essential to strike a balance.
  Draft C, as well as UDHR's article 30, talks about balance between human rights; however, I'm afraid that's not the kind of balance you have in mind ...

    In order to promote information freedom, I suggest to refer to information explicitly. Same for privacy. Simple, isn't it?
  I don't know if other pirate parties would follow your advice; simply, there is no room for it in PIRATA's Statute.


                                                                                                    Carlos Ayala
                                                                                                    ( Aiarakoa )

                                                                               Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman 


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