[pp.int.general] !! Denmark censors Internet, blocks The Pirate Bay

[Carlos Ayala]

----- Mensaje original ----
De: Jan Huwald <jh at sotun.de>
Enviado: martes, 5 de febrero, 2008 18:19:45
Am 
Dienstag, 
5. 
Februar 
2008 
13:59:00 
schrieb 
Ricardo 
Cristof 
Remmert-Fontes:
Carlos 
Ayala 
wrote:
> > > 
So 
I 
think 
that 
would 
be 
necessary 
to 
focus 
on 
the 
fact 
that 
we 
shouldn't 
need 
to 
go 
against 
laws 
and 
preliminary
> > > injunctions, 
but 
those 
laws 
and 
preliminary 
injunctions 
should 
adapt 
to 
consuetudinarity 
-rules 
from 
society 
habits-
> > > and 
human 
rights 
-including 
privacy, 
balance 
between 
rights, 
etc-. 
Regards
> > 
I 
absolutely 
agree 
with 
Carlos: 
the 
question 
isn't 
wether 
or 
not censorship, 
DRM 
or 
surveillance 
can 
be 
circumvented
> > or 
not.
> >
> > 
The 
question 
is, 
which 
legal 
system 
do 
we 
want 
to 
have 
as 
a 
framework 
for 
our 
society. 
Though, 
actual 
approaches
> > of 
surveillance, 
DRM 
and 
censorship 
are 
anti-democratic.
> >
> > 
Therefore, 
pirate 
parties 
should 
understand 
themselves 
as 
human 
rights parties. 
Therefore 
we 
should, 
as 
Pirate 
Bay
> > spokesmen 
did, 
tcompare 
this 
to 
situation 
to 
China 
or 
Burma: 
IFPI 
kicks 
human 
rights 
for 
business 
purposes.
> >
> > We 
should 
try 
to 
figure 
this 
issue 
out 
in 
the 
media: 
it 
is 
not 
about filesharing, 
it 
is 
about 
free 
speech. 
We 
should 
focus
> > on 
that.
> When 
looking 
on 
past 
press 
releases, 
we've 
always 
taked 
about 
free 
speech 
and against 
censorship 
(no 
matte 
how
> filesharing-specific 
the 
issue 
was). 
What 
we really 
need 
is 
a 
better 
metaphor 
_"why"_ 
(not 
"that") 
censoring 
TPB 
in 
> Denmark 
is 
no 
better 
than 
censoring 
the 
Dalai 
Lama 
in 
China

What I think RIcardo was saying -as he said it as an answer to my former mail- is that it would be dangerous that people finally think of circumvention of laws as a solution against harmful laws/court judgments. Not only because of becoming criminals shouldn't be found acceptable -as I said in my former mail, not only using but even just having DRM-circumventing tools is considered a crime against common law-, but if people find themselves comfortable with that idea of "no problem if X law/court judgment does not allow me to do Y, I'll circumvent the prohibition", I think they won't probably be worried anymore about the true problem: the very existence of that law or the reasons for that judge to release that judgment.

Of course we can find the best metaphors to make people understand the dangers of censorship, the dangers of privacy loss, etc; however, what if -and I say this not just as an hypothesis, but because this has already happened to us in Spain- people answer us "indeed, you're right, but who cares? while I can find CDs without levies/ways to circumvent DRM/ways to access Pirate Bay/etc, it's not my problem anymore".

So I believe that's our challenge: we should be able to make people understand that now is the time to stop traditional politicians, preventing them from setting and consolidating within the society liberticide laws, preventing them from creating case laws; because if we don't prevent them to do such things, in some years from now it will be extremely difficult, and today's ways to circumvent such harmful laws/judgments will be mercilessly forbidden and punished -with also most of society not finding anything worrying in that ... because as years pass they become habited to such laws/judgments-.

I really believe that's our challenge, to avoid society to become paralyzed, drowsy; to make society understand the clear and present danger of this issues. Regards


                                                                                    Carlos Ayala
                                                                                    ( Aiarakoa )

                                                           Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman




       
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