[pp.int.general] Pirate Manifesto Reloaded

Bernhard Schillo b.schillo at gmx.net
Thu Jul 10 19:26:49 CEST 2008


my name is Bernhard Schillo and i'm new on this mailing list. I'm
actually member of the german partys national board.

In my opinion we have to deal with the correlation between the core
issues and non core issues. The intellectual property rights have an
impact on the whole society, not only on the media market (See for
), and the commons are as well as privacy a requirement for a democratic

This is why i strongly believe that we should stay on these issues and
underline the political relevance of these core issues. But perhaps it
coud be useful to write a manifesto with statements e.g. on business or
agriculture, which contains no new positions, but shows the correlation
between our core issues and that (for example the effects of patents on
agriculture or on monopolies in business)?!? But ok, for this election
it's probably too late anyway...

For the european parliament election the discussion about core and non
core issues in my opinion only has a "strategical" relevance, because we
HAVE no common statements on non core issues on the european or
international platform and even if a pirate boards the parliament in
this election, in my opinion the sybmolic meaning and the publicity we
get would be a bigger advantage than the political power we achieve.

So in my opinion the intention to find an easy to handle strategic way
to please the people who worry about what happens with their vote on
other issues than our core issues, is right. But i think, the conclusion
is wrong. To announce that we would support other parties brings the
following problems: If we specify the party(s) we would collaborate
with, we have no bargaining power against them because they know that we
MUST work with them. If we don't specify the possible partners there are
two possibilities left: The first: We say that we work with the leading
group - but in my opinion too many people wouldn't like that and
wouldn't vote for us in this case and the bargaining power wouldn't be
very good, too. The second: We say nothing about the possible partners -
and in this case i don't know why we should have a statement about it at
all. In germany people are used to judge about the possible coalition
partners of a party because of their understanding of the political
opinion of the party. So we have to sharpen our image as a party which
works for human rights and is not only a lobby for filesharers, and for
this we neither need more issues nor a fixed strategy for coalitions. We
have to communicate the relevance of our core issues.

Bernhard Schillo

Carlos Ayala schrieb:

> ----- Mensaje original ----
> De: aloa5 <piratenpartei at t-online.de>
> Enviado: jueves, 10 de julio, 2008 11:21:33
> > I just quote one important point of interest (and imho difference)
> here:
> > ----snip----
> > > > > If we want to be "neutral" we have to get own ideas on
> different issues.
> > > > As soon as we get a political opinion on a new issue, we are no
> longer neutral on that issue.
> > > As soon as we vote on a non-core issues, we are no longer neutral
> on that issue.
> > ----snip----
> > Imho just three different points of viewing.
> Actually, one remains neutral as long as takes no stance. Once any
> stance has be taken, neutrality has gone. That's because PIRATA talks
> about abstention a priori on non-core issues, and only abandoning that
> abstention if required by citizens -both via ILCs, or via consultation
> to citizens requested by other parties-.
> That is, our support to neutrality is not because of not caring about
> non-core issues, but because of aiming to treat issues that we think
> can lay within a social consenssus -defense of UDHR (human rights),
> free non-commercial culture sharing, enhancing of Information Society,
> patents reform-; if we aren't sure about such consenssus in the rest
> of issues, we prefer citizens to confirm which path do they want us to
> follow. Otherwise, in any issue that citizens doesn't indicate us the
> path to follow, we prefer to remain neutral.
> > Lets talk about this. And talk about if we think that vB (caring
> about other issues but have our issues as a political
> > preference) is the group we need
> Definitely in PIRATA we choose vB, as we do care about non-core issues
> -simply we don't have stances on those issues because of not being
> able to reach consenssus on them-. vB voters are our goal :) Regards
> Carlos Ayala
>                                                                   (
> Aiarakoa )
>                                                         Partido Pirata
> National Board's Chairman
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