[pp.int.general] urgent: data retention and downloading

Sat May 17 20:09:54 CEST 2008

I have found that in Germany the retained data may only be used (§ 113b German Telecommunication Act):
1. zur Verfolgung von Straftaten,

2. zur Abwehr von erheblichen Gefahren für die öffentliche Sicherheit oder

3. zur Erfüllung der gesetzlichen Aufgaben der Verfassungsschutzbehörden des Bundes und

der Länder, des Bundesnachrichtendienstes und des Militärischen Abschirmdienstes

Short translation:

1. for criminal prosecution

2. to prevent severe public security risks (presumably terrorism)

3. for intelligence agencies

So rights owners have no access to such data either in Germany (like in The Netherlands), except indirectly if they report an infringement to criminal prosecution authorities. Apparently, the directive makes no provision for the use of retained data, except that it must be regulated by law.

ANY MEMBER STATE CONSIDERING TO ALLOW ACCESS BY RIGHTS OWNERS ORGANISATIONS?

Groeten, Grüße, Regards, Cordialement, Hälsningar, Ciao, Saygilar, Üdvözlettel, Pozdrowienia, Kumusta, Adios, Oan't sjen, Ave, Doei, Yassou, Yoroshiku
>>> REINIER B. BAKELS PhD
private: Johan Willem Frisostraat 149, 2713 CC Zoetermeer, The Netherlands telephone: +31 79 316 3126, GSM ("Handy") +31 6 4988 6490,  fax +31 79 316 7221
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Reinier Bakels 
  To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk ; ricardo.cristof at remmert-fontes.de 
  Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 7:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] urgent: data retention and downloading

  hi rick, very helpful! questions:
  - what is the current status in sweden?
  - in the netherlands, only criminal prosecution authorities and our secret service is entitled to see the collected (traffic) data, i.e. not the copyright owners themselves (they can only report a criminal infringement - but our criminal authorities (so far) have the right *not* to prosecute, and typically in copyright matters the position has always been: try the private (civil) law route first).
  - connected to this: is there any relation in the swedish implementation law proposal that makes a connection between data retention and copyright enforcement? in the netherlands, the implementation is by changing the telecommunications act, conly connecting to the criminal procedure act, not (directly) to copyright anyway. if the swedish act does make the connection, my "conspiracy theory" is no longer a theory but a hard fact!

  i would be interested to hear about the situation in germany as well (i read german, not swedish ...) 

  Groeten, Grüße, Regards, Cordialement, Hälsningar, Ciao, Saygilar, Üdvözlettel, Pozdrowienia, Kumusta, Adios, Oan't sjen, Ave, Doei, Yassou, Yoroshiku
  >>> REINIER B. BAKELS PhD
  private: Johan Willem Frisostraat 149, 2713 CC Zoetermeer, The Netherlands telephone: +31 79 316 3126, GSM ("Handy") +31 6 4988 6490,  fax +31 79 316 7221
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Rick Falkvinge (Piratpartiet) 
    To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk 
    Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 4:50 PM
    Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] urgent: data retention and downloading

    Link to Google's translation (not perfect, but reasonably understandable):
    http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frendo.se%2Fifpi080320.html&sl=sv&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

    Rick Falkvinge (Piratpartiet) wrote: 
      The best data for a response, I believe, would come from IFPI Sweden's response to the Swedish Justice Department about the Swedish implementation proposal on the Data Retention Directive.

      Highlights:

      ...an implementation of this directive constitutes an important foundation and prerequisite for IFPI's further work in taking action against those who infringe on our rightsholders' rights on the Internet...

      ...IFPI considers it important that the implementation... is done in such a way that copyright holders are given access to... traffic data...

      ...If technical innovation would make it possible to circumvent data retention or make it impossible, this would potentially cause great harm to copyright holders. ...

      ...It shall be possible for law enforcement and for rightsholders to act judicially against a party that infringes on rights, even when this happens on the Internet... (remember now, the context is a data retention directive comment)

      ...To fight illegal activity on the Internet, through criminal and civil sanctions, it is therefore a necessity that some traffic data be retained. In the case of a too restrictive regulation of data retention, there is a real risk of a situation where where numerous illegal acts cannot be mitigated.

      See http://www.frendo.se/ifpi080320.html. Google can translate the rest of the text. My translations are from my printout of the PDF (with lots of red markings on it).

      Rick

      Reinier Bakels wrote: 
        NL parliament will vote next week about the Dutch law implementing the Data Retention Directive. Government proposes 24 months, the supporters of 6 and 24 months are roughly in balance. Many commentaries in newspapers.

        None refers to a link with copyright enforcement. I know Erik Josefsson noticed a long time ago that there is probably a link between IPRED2 (thats makes copyright infringement "severe crimes") and Data Retention, that is about collecting data for the prosecution of "severe crimes" only.

        Could we claim convincingly that "Data Retention" only pays lip service to terrorism and (other) criminality, but actually is just another of the many measures covertly proposed by desparate record companies to turn the Internet into a police state for the purpose of winning a war against file sharers - that is already almost lost?

        This is urgent - if true, I will send a reaction to the newspapers.

        reinier
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