[pp.int.general] Stances on different ideologies (was: Current state of Piratenpartei Deutschland in general)

[Félix Robles]

So, at first, you don't move from core issues, but when you have some more
people yoy add non-core issues to the party? That's SO bad!

I fully, absolutely reject the idea of a Pirate Party which ideology is more
than core issues. Core issues must be the only ideology of a Pirate Party.

But that doesn't mean that we do nothing on non-core issues. I'm very very
proud of the Spanish Pirate Party on that aspect: on non-core issues, we
just ask the whole population -not just party members-, as if it were a
referendum, about those questions, and if the majority of the vote is YES,
and if a significant percentage of the whole population participates on the
voting, we just present what the voting decided in congress as if it were
one of our core issues. Those 'referendum'-like voting processes would be
for very concrete things, and in order to filtrate questions so we are not
voting all the time new questions, it must be accepted in a previous voting
within the party.

So the Spanish Pirate Party's answer to non-core issues is... *liquid
democracy*, absolute transparency, let the whole population decide!

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Kaj Sotala <kaj.sotala at piraattipuolue.fi>wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Christian Hufgard
> <christian.hufgard at piratenpartei-hessen.de> wrote:
> > We were asked, what we say to minimum wages, integration of foreigners,
> > extension of the airports, nuclear power. What do you want to answer to
> > people, asking you these questions? Vote us, we let others decide, what
> > to do?
>
> Our party gets asked these questions, too. We tell them that those
> aren't on our core agenda, so we have no official stance on them.
>
> Yes, we lose some voters that way. But we'd lose far more if we'd
> start taking specific stances. Before Piraattipuolue, Finland had
> Tietoyhteiskuntapuolue (Information Society Party) - they're still
> linked at the PPI front page. They tried taking a stance on everything
> imaginable - as a result, people weren't sure what exactly they stood
> for, and they died.
>
> In order to become credible, we need to obtain voters. First, we will
> obtain voters from the ones who really care about Pirate issues - they
> are our first and most important resource at this point. They are the
> ones who care about our agenda so much that they will vote for us
> regardless of the fact that we have no specific policies on outside
> matters. We *must* gain as large a portion of their vote as possible,
> because for the rest, the things we're speaking about simply aren't
> important. They will see as just one more tiny party that will never
> get representation and isn't worth thinking about.
>
> At some point, we will have harvested the whole vote of our primary
> voters. At that point, we need to expand out, introduce new policies
> which address the non core-issues. However, this can *only* be done
> when we have already established ourselves as a minor but regardless
> real party, important enough that the traditional voters will bother
> giving us a glance. Introducing non-core policies before that will
> prevent us from ever reaching the point where those policies will do
> us any good. We must start out by concentrating on those values, and
> only those, that our target audience finds most valuable - only after
> we've convinced them, can we start convincing the others.
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