[pp.int.general] Stances on different ideologies

[Max Moritz Sievers]

Kaj Sotala wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Max Moritz Sievers wrote:
> > Gagis wrote:
> >> Get education from Swedes or Finns on how to include different
> >> ideologies in a single unified Pirate Party.
> >
> > Is there educational material about this in English or German?
>
> The reasoning of the Finnish Pirate Party has been roughly the following:
>
> The pirate ideology is one that cuts across the whole political
> spectrum.

I concur to this statement. But presumably I have a radically different 
concept of the political spectrum.

> We have the potential to get all kinds of supporters, from 
> young kids that are active file-sharers to older people who have a
> true appreciation for concepts such as privacy and freedom of speech.

I do concur. I have the impression some of us think we are a party for younger 
people.

> If there are pirates who are truly passionate about a certain, say,
> economic issue, they'd do better joining one of the traditional
> parties.

I haven't tried this because they appear to moderate and "neutral" to me. Even 
most of the small ones outside the parliaments. Or if they have an extreme 
ideology, their ideology isn't mine.

Wilhelm Reich (which books I recommended in another mail) was kicked out of 
the Social Democratic Party of Austria (SPÖ) in 1930, kicked out of the 
Communist Party of Germany (KPD) 1933, he went into exile starting 1933 with 
Denmark, then Sweden, then Norway and finally the USA in 1939. In 1934 he was 
expelled from the International Psychoanalytical Association (IPA) (a 
conspiracy by Freud). His books were burned by the Nazis and by the U.S. Food 
and Drug Administration (FDA) (1956). 1957 he died in jail. For me this 
proves he had something important to say. Obviously he didn't succeed with 
his agenda.

Reichs agenda is my agenda. It is the struggle for the egoistic cause. I think 
it is crucial to indoctrinate enough people. I was attracted to the PPDE by 
the candidates for the Hessian Landtag (national Parliament). I reckon it's 
not the most unsuitable assemblage.

> I'm not saying this as an insult, for that can be valuable 
> work as well. Join the traditional parties, take advantage of their
> existing organization and supporters, and work to sway them to our
> views from the within. It might not feel as glorious as contributing
> to a rebel independent pirate party, but in the long run, we need to
> persuade them as well. Stealing their voters is one way, but
> persuading them from the inside is another, and it is one that is just
> as needed.

There is a call in PPI for the base to shut up. The traditional parties just 
don't listen to theis base -- they just pretend. No. I won't waste my time 
with this.

> And for as long as we don't incorporate into it unnecessary elements,
> it will eventually spread to *all* the traditional parties.
> Historically, that happened with the movement for abolishing slavery

Slavery still exists.

> and with the women's rights movement,

Women are in majority and get older than men -- like throughout history.

> and it is to a certain extent happening today with the Green movement.

They cry about CO2 and love it to be in war.

> While I do not think that progress can be easily stopped - at least
> not in democratic, non-fascist nations - it can certainly be delayed. 

Which ones do you accuse to be non-fascist?

> Pirates who label themselves anarchists or socialists will make outsiders
> associate anarchism or socialism with the pirate ideology, and reject it
> because they reject anarchism or socialism. We don't want that.

Anarchism is not just another -ism. It is a well thought out concept of a 
society in which the individuals have the maximum of freedom, security and 
peace.

-- 
regards
Max Moritz Sievers