[pp.int.general] Let us organize a study session!

JaRrr jarrr at pirateparty.be
Mon Aug 3 12:24:43 CEST 2009 

Hi Everyone,

Even if I do agree with Samir's idea I'd like to point to the fact this is 
only and solely an idea at this very time.
He's a very enthusiastic guy liking action and I won't blame him for that. 
We definitely need some action-beyond/before-words.
Now, imho everyone should be involved in this discussion, your views and 
opinion are important ! More inpotant even, your participation too. So 
get/stay involved. Creating a _foundation_ will only be useful if it doesn't 
end up being an empty box.

I think we should also know what Sweden (a.o) is up to at a Global/EU level. 
What's the plan, what's the future, what's the global path ?
Maybe I'm wrong but I have the feeling we receive very little information 
about the subject at this very time.

I also red the opinions concerning the proposed PPI Conference. I do agree 
with most of the constructive and positive ones.
I think we should focalise on real action, action based local and global 
plans and act upon them.
We have to go back home knowing what is needed to be able to build up to the 
next level, if we have the means to do it, how we will do it, who will do it 
and when this will be done.

Warm regards,

Jurgen aka JaRrr
PP.be



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "coretx" <coretx at piratenpartij.nl>
To: "Pirate Parties International -- General Talk" 
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Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Let us organize a study session!


> Not yet, but the PPI foundation will be a fact soon.
> It is utmost easy in Belgium ! Maybe i might even set it up using my 
> private funds.
>
> We want the next conference to be *perfect*
> And use one day for meeting organisations such as EDRI etc.
> The date will be set, once we have a near perfect program.
> ( And after the German elections )
>
> Maybe The Berlin meeting can be used for helping out on this ?
>
> On Aug 3, 2009, at 11:51 AM, gabriel luis wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> (I) think the foundation issue is very interesting as long as it  doesn´t 
>> end
>> up in Liechtenstein or Austria ;-). Could anybody send me more 
>> information
>> about the conference in Brussel?
>> The proposal with the meeting in Berlin still stands. Im still  waiting 
>> for
>> certain key-data from poland, germany and spain in order to try to  fix a
>> date.
>> Greets
>> GAbriel
>>
>> 2009/8/3 coretx <coretx at piratenpartij.nl>
>>
>>> Jurgen ( PP.BE <http://pp.be/> Chairman ) and I are about to find  out 
>>> the
>>> criteria for setting up a PPI foundation in Brussels.
>>>
>>> Probably we only need statutes saying " For the promotion and 
>>> stimulation
>>> of pirate party's around the world" ( As generic as possible, so  that 
>>> no one
>>> can oppose. )
>>> It would be nice if we can make it official @ the Brussels  conference.
>>>
>>> A Anonymous source told me that some money might be available for  such
>>> "projects" in the near future.
>>> Plus, it would make us eligable for being subsidised.
>>>
>>> Extra detail: Most political party's have scientific institutes,  wich 
>>> are
>>> _also_ eligable for being subsidised.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 3, 2009, at 10:45 AM, gabriel luis wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>> think it is a great idea to put up meetings. On the other hand I
>>>> think that meetings needing more time and input (request for public
>>>> fundings
>>>> and other types of tecnocracy) that...Well it is too pesimistic to  say
>>>> that
>>>> the input is gonna be higher in qualitative and quantitative terms 
>>>> than
>>>> the
>>>> output, but in my experience until now this is usually the case.
>>>> What do you think about creating a central party board? I have 
>>>> observed
>>>> until now that the decission-making of the party is kind of 
>>>> splittered,
>>>> since everybody acts from inside border levels. Obviously borders  play 
>>>> a
>>>> role in policy making but I think pirates shouldn´t commit the same
>>>> mistakes
>>>> like other (european) parties -whereas pirates have also a Chile- based
>>>> branch- failing in border based policy making. What about being a  true
>>>> borderless party? Is it pure utopia? Would it be possible to move  the 
>>>> seat
>>>> of the party from one country to another? What about using  mailboxes 
>>>> to be
>>>> checked by local pirate-members? What about a central online bank
>>>> account for activists to get funds directly?
>>>> I think keeping the levels of burocracy-tecnocracy to the lowest 
>>>> levels
>>>> possible makes transparency also easier to achieve.
>>>> Al this implies a certain level of trust. In Germany it is said that
>>>> "trusting is good, but controlling is better". Some keywords
>>>>
>>>> Central party office (pirata.eu?), lobbying in Brussel for wireless
>>>> inet-access, for legalization, for deintermediation in policy  making,
>>>>
>>>> I fetch the next coffee
>>>> See ya
>>>> Gabriel
>>>>
>>>> 2009/8/2 Amelia Andersdotter <teirdes at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> 2009/8/2 Patrick Mächler v/o Valio <valio at visionsinteractive.ch>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear pirates,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would you think of organizing a study session for young  people
>>>>>> (mostly pirates) for about a week, that would be almost free for  all
>>>>>> participants, except for a small fee of about 45€?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> It's a fantastic idea! We already have a semi-formed working  group 
>>>>> for
>>>>> this within Ung Pirat in Sweden. It's one of our main international
>>>>> ambitions for the coming year, when it will also receive a place in
>>>>> our budget bringing down those 45 euros to some maximum of 30 or so
>>>>> per participant.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, there aren't just funding opportunities from CoE: we've  been
>>>>> looking into funding opportunities from the Youth Action  Initiative 
>>>>> by
>>>>> the European Commission. Basically, with the EC requirements, we  need
>>>>> a cultural/educational exchange between two or more EU member  states.
>>>>> They normally fund about 70-75% of the entire project cost except  for
>>>>> travelling costs which they only fund 60% of.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Sweden, these EC grants are applied for via Ungdomsstyrelsen 
>>>>> (Board
>>>>> of Youth - administratory unit responsible for all grants and  funds 
>>>>> to
>>>>> youth orgs) 4 times a year, so it's money we'd likely get  relatively
>>>>> quick.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I was in touch with Junge Piraten they said they'd like for  such
>>>>> an event to be held during the summer holidays, and that's probably
>>>>> the best alternative for most young pirates, so I'd say we set the
>>>>> dates for some time next year in july (2010)!
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, anyone else who might be reading this: it helps vastly when
>>>>> applying for youth in action grants if there's a collaboration 
>>>>> between
>>>>> youth organisations, so if you know a couple of young pirates with
>>>>> free time on their hands: have them start your national youth  league!
>>>>> We can then have exchanges!
>>>>>
>>>>> sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>> Amelia
>>>>>
>>>>> ======================
>>>>>> 1. WHY SHOULD WE CARE?
>>>>>> ======================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was recently at a study session that was organized by a ANSO,  a 
>>>>>> nordic
>>>>>> LGBT union at the Youth Center in Budapest by the Council of  Europe
>>>>>> (CoE). The CoE supported them in every way you could think of;
>>>>>> financial, organizational and last but not least shelter, food and
>>>>>> ticket refunding for all participants.
>>>>>> I will remember that as a really great experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To make things clear: The CoE is that organization that is  concerned
>>>>>> with the European Convention on Human Rights; it has no direct
>>>>>> connections to the European Union. Almost all European countries  are 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> part of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The CoE does support topics which are on our agendas, take a look
>>>>>> http://www.coe.int/aboutcoe/index.asp?page=nosActions&sp=11#action11
>>>>>> http://www.coe.int/aboutcoe/index.asp?page=nosActions&sp=8#action8
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my view that would be a real opportunity for us on an 
>>>>>> organizational
>>>>>> and a political level.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ==================
>>>>>> 2. WHAT IS NEEDED?
>>>>>> ==================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We would need to create a team which
>>>>>> * fills out a funding application
>>>>>> * gets in contact with the CoE
>>>>>> * creates a program for the study session
>>>>>> * and executes that program in the study session
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are some criteria which we would have to met of course to  get
>>>>>> accepted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- quote ---
>>>>>> Activities can only be awarded if they are truly international or
>>>>>> multilateral projects, which
>>>>>> • Involve participants who are residents in at least 8 member  states 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the Council of Europe, limiting participants coming from one  country 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> 20% of the total. Up to a maximum of 15% of the participants may 
>>>>>> come
>>>>>> from non-member countries;
>>>>>> • Have a majority of participants between 18 and 30 years of age 
>>>>>> (with a
>>>>>> maximum of 25% over the age of 30) who can act as multipliers of  the
>>>>>> results of the work done during the activity;
>>>>>> • Strive to achieve a geographical and gender balance.
>>>>>> --- /quote ---
>>>>>> For detailed information, take a look here 
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/how-to-ss
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>> 3. WHEN COULD WE DO THAT?
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From http://www.eycb.coe.int/
>>>>>> --- quote ---
>>>>>> The EYC Secretariat must receive applications for activities to  be 
>>>>>> held
>>>>>> at either EYC Budapest or EYC Strasbourg by the following  deadlines:
>>>>>> * 1 April for activities to be carried out in the first half of  the
>>>>>> following calendar year;
>>>>>> * 1 October for activities to be carried out in the second half  of 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> following calendar year.
>>>>>> --- /quote ---
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think if some people are really interested we could manage  this 
>>>>>> still
>>>>>> for 2010 or maybe 2011.
>>>>>> No, something like this should not be done in a hurry, but neither
>>>>>> should it be procrastinated unnecessarily.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =============
>>>>>> 4. CONCLUSION
>>>>>> =============
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some people might think that this sounds totally crazy, but I am
>>>>>> convinced that we should give that opportunity a try...better 
>>>>>> sooner,
>>>>>> than later...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The idea is there. You have the chance to discuss it anytime; be  it 
>>>>>> on a
>>>>>> local/national/international event or on the net.
>>>>>> I know it sounds idealistic, but that's just how I am :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - cheers
>>>>>> patrick
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Amelia Andersdotter
>>>>> Lissabon-MEP
>>>>>
>>>>> +46 738436779
>>>>> www.ameliatillbryssel.se
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