[pp.int.general] Microsoft DraftsConsumersInFightAgainstSoftware Piracy: Carrot And Stick

[Marcus Kesler]

I think that also brings us to the issue of not being able to read the EULA 
until after you buy the computer or program.

MS and EOMs have been keeping this little fact under tight wraps.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Norton" <ktetch at gmail.com>
To: "Pirate Parties International -- General Talk" 
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Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Microsoft 
DraftsConsumersInFightAgainstSoftware Piracy: Carrot And Stick


> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Reinier Bakels <r.bakels at planet.nl> 
> wrote:
>>> > The issue was not whether you are forced to USE it, but whether you 
>>> > are
>>> > forced to PAY for it. And I never heard that you can get your money 
>>> > back
>>> > > if
>>> > you buy e.g. a laptop bundled with Windows and say you don't use it. 
>>> > The
>>> > vendor certainly has no obligation to refund you after you bought the
>>> > software. Anyway, a large part of MS sales comes from sw bundled with 
>>> >  >
>>> > new
>>> > computers.
>>>
>>> Actually, Dell, HP etc. will refund. It's part of the contract, if you
>>> decline the windows license, you can return to the vendor for a
>>> purchase price. I spoke to one of the Swiss pirates and he told me he
>>> was doing that just last week.
>>
>> Is this perhaps one of those obligations imposed on MS because of 
>> antitrust
>> regulations?
>> When I paid 350 euro's for my ASUS "Eee" netbook with XP half a year ago 
>> I
>> got no explicit contract just a single bill. You must be an insider to 
>> know
>> that you have the right to get a refund. Anyway, most people don't ask 
>> for
>> the refund. IIRC MS suffered a decline in sales because less people 
>> bought a
>> new computer because of the credit crisis.
>
> You didn't get an explicit contract?
> So, you dind't see the license screen during the setup? If you click
> accept, thats you accepting the license. If you click cancel, you then
> ask Asus for the refund.
>
>>
>> BTW I am sooooooooo glad that I stil can run XP. What on earth do I miss
>> because I don't use Windows 7? The only problem I experience is that Wifi
>> sometimes is a bit shaky - but that may be a hardware problem as well.
>> Often, not any network is shown, and I have to start the reset cycle. But
>> the connection is stable once it is estabished.
>>
>> reinier
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