[pp.int.general] Open positions in PPI

Tue Dec 8 14:52:28 CET 2009

I'm on said list, and I read said document.  A few documents online means
very little to me.

I surely don't see anything to be proud of in search queries for "pirate
party" in relation to ACTA.  There are no flicker feeds of ACTA rally
members, there seems to be no coordinated effort to call into radio shows
and get dialogue started about ACTA, I see very little literature being made
that explains the damn thing clearly.  It's also not the coreteam's job to
do all of this.

Google news search returns no articles "ACTA" since december 2nd, but the
blog entries come up to 1 hour before I write this.

I'd rather save the congratulations for when we've accomplished something.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:11 PM, coretx <coretx at piratenpartij.nl> wrote:

> No need for further ranting Ryan.
> As usual, while people rant @ pp.int.general.
> People are working somewhere else ;)
> You can see it for yourself here : http://etherpad.com/4cVDnXmE8K
>  ( And some more results at other etherpads )
>
> The Anti ACTA taskforce is up & running.
> Niccolas Sahlqvist is leading the taskforce.
> And you can find him in #ppi-acta @ irc.piratpartiet.se
>
> Drop nicco or coreteam at pp-international.net a line, if you wish to be
> added to the ACTA mailinglist.
> If there is more you need to know - join the weekly coreteam meetings.
> Or browse the wiki.
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2009, at 3:28 AM, Ryan Martin wrote:
>
>  This sounds just like the US party right now.  We have absolutely no
>> concrete chatter about actions around the ACTA, but by god we're able to
>> get
>> some WORDS spit out about IRC logs and personality conficts!  I love some
>> of
>> the content that is coming out of the lists here and there, but there
>> really
>> isn't much chatter about things to really get INVOLVED with.  It's really
>> hard, at least here in the US, to find volunteers AND find a comfortable
>> medium for communication AND get them with free time.  Once we get folks
>> we
>> really have to have things to work on, and it would be nice if we all
>> coordinated here.
>>
>> This is a great issue for any would be candidate to start campaigning on,
>> for any college group to flyer about, and so on.  It's international in
>> scope and we must make sure our volunteers everywhere are aware and
>> informed
>> and hopefully preforming actions that at the LEAST increase public
>> awareness.
>>
>> I feel the focus on the coreteam is absurd because it's the goal of us,
>> the
>> volunteers, to give administration of any stripe something to manage.
>>
>> The game is afoot, pirates!  The goal probably doesn't lie INSIDE the
>> pirate
>> party, at least at this very second.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:03 PM, W Tovey <will.tovey at pp-international.net
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  I've added a few thoughts on the comments here.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sven Clement wrote:
>>>
>>>  This HAS TO BE normal procedure for the coreteam, I totally understand,
>>>> that you guys are working hard, I also agree that we cannot have always
>>>> a
>>>> complete answer after 24/48 hours, but I would be glad to at least see
>>>> that
>>>> someone is looking into my mail. Also because I (as most of the others)
>>>> have
>>>> to be transparent with my board so that if I do not get at least an
>>>> answer
>>>> telling me: "we do not have time, let's discuss it later" I can't tell
>>>> anything to my board which is bad for approval of PPI on a national
>>>> level.
>>>>
>>>>  I would like to think that this already is normal procedure; it was
>>> discussed to an extent in the meeting on the 26th. Hopefully things
>>> should
>>> be improving on this front.
>>>
>>> I understand Samirs concerns about being completely transparent but I do
>>>
>>>> think that at LEAST the members (the parties) should get ALL information
>>>> that there is. Including but not limiting to complete IRC-logs,
>>>> information
>>>> about meetings with other organizations, status of the incorporation of
>>>> PPI,
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>> This does not have to be open to everyone, but EVERY BOARD should get
>>>> access to the same informations as the coreteam, because if that is not
>>>> guaranteed, how can the coreteam be controlled? How can the national
>>>> boards
>>>> deliberate onto something they have not ALL the information? This entire
>>>> discussion could have been avoided if the national boards would have had
>>>> access to the mentioned information.
>>>>
>>>>  I should have complete IRC logs from the Coreteam channel since I
>>> joined in
>>> October and there is no technical issue with making them available on
>>> request and I am happy to answer questions on issues from the minutes.
>>> The
>>> channel is also open and unmoderated outside official meetings. However,
>>> as
>>> I'm sure those of you who frequent IRC are aware, among the important
>>> discussions there are quite a few off-topic notes, personal details and
>>> similar things that are of little relevance or interest to anyone other
>>> than
>>> a subset of those present. I can try to prune these sections from the
>>> logs,
>>> but that would seem to be the general idea behind making minutes - they
>>> should contain all the relevant material (although I can try to put more
>>> details in if they are wanted).
>>>
>>> As for the status of incorporation of PPI; to my knowledge, PPI currently
>>> consists of the Coreteam (6 people), forum (at pp-international.net),
>>> wiki
>>> (at int.piratenpartei.de) and some mailing lists and IRC channels -
>>> there
>>> is a bank account being set up, but that's been delayed due to issues
>>> with
>>> the paperwork. As for getting in contact with all the PP boards, I wish
>>> it
>>> were that simple; there is currently no "official" list of member PPs,
>>> never
>>> mind contact details for their boards. So far (using the forum which as
>>> 32
>>> countries listed, the wiki, with 36 and Wikipedia with 35 and from
>>> rummaging
>>> around all their websites) I have a list of about 40 PPs around the
>>> world,
>>> but I only have verified contact details for 14 of them (and no details
>>> for
>>> some). Some of the newer PPs don't have boards or leaders yet; some PPs
>>> seem
>>> to have disappeared and reappeared elsewhere. However, this is something
>>> I
>>> am working on at the moment, but it takes time. I would ask people to be
>>> patient for now; I am happy to respond to individual requests from PPs
>>> but
>>> until there is a better framework in place, I am reluctant to send out
>>> too
>>> many emails to the current list (I have already had one person noting
>>> that
>>> they're getting too much traffic to deal with), particularly when there
>>> may
>>> be 'sensitive' information included and some of the addresses are
>>> unverified.
>>>
>>> **If anyone reading this is the international co-ordinator (or
>>> equivalent)
>>> of your PP (and you haven't heard from me recently) please do get in
>>> touch.**
>>>
>>> One of the things I intend to propose at the conference (or recommend to
>>> my
>>> successor) is some sort of "official registration form" for Parties that
>>> wish to be members of PPI that requests, among other things, contact
>>> details
>>> for an "International Co-ordinator" through which we can talk to the
>>> party.
>>> I know this may sound like excessive bureaucracy and unnecessary
>>> paperwork
>>> but without it, I fear PPI will fall apart.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I hope that has cleared some things up; as always, I am happy to
>>> answer questions or respond to requests for more details, just give me a
>>> nudge.
>>>
>>> -Will
>>>
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>>
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>> Administrator
>> United States Pirate Party
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