[pp.int.general] where is the manifesto?

[Carlos Ayala Vargas]

Reinier Bakels wrote:
> One should not loose imagination, but one should not get out of touch 
> of reality either.
No matter how many times I tell you that I'm aware of the fact that, 
without enough MPs, we won't make those goals in the short term; you 
insist in purportedly /show/ me as a supposed fool -you have to suffer 
from shortage of arguments to use that stuff-. Read me again: we are 
fully aware of reality; simply, we are not going to give up our goals 
because of your will.
> Perhaps we have a basic misunderstanding.
When the /retrogressive/retroactive/ thing I might have thought so; not 
now, not after all the things you said and have said.
> You think of idealistic goals that become in sight when PP is 
> succesful and get sufficient "critical mass".
Not /idealistic/, just not feasible in the short term; please don't 
distort the language. And we are not PP, but PPI.
> I primaily think of a "catalytic" role of PP. Present politics makes 
> some very *basic* mistakes. Due to lack of information, a lack of 
> priority perhaps.
Not because of lack of information. Spanish media reported that about 
the Information Society Law, about its censorship provisions, parties 
were about to remove them when major MPs received visits from labels and 
studios -information spread by Público newspaper; thus, simply, they 
have all the information they need ... from the people they listen to 
-hint: that people they listen to are not the citizens-. And, again, we 
are not PP, but PPI.
> If the PP could "spread the word", major successes could be achieved 
> short term.
Of course we can make things in the short term, however it doesn't imply 
at all that we should give up demanding long-term issues; I firmly 
believe that long-term issues are not long-term because they have to be 
demanded in the long-term, but because probably won't be made until long 
time passes. Did I say that we are not PP, but PPI?
> because a balanced "intellectual property" presently (!!!!!!!!!) is 
> not a political priority, it is easily sacrificed.
May I ask you to not talk about /intellectual pro...whatever/, and 
instead talking about author's rights? As RMS said, and Rick Falkvinge 
also often says it too, if you use their language you've already lost.
> You ignore the difference between dishonest lobbyists who make 
> suggestive statements (e.g. about poor retired artists, and on the 
> health risks for patent infringement, and with the arguments that 
> terrorism is financed by trade in counterfeit products), and honest 
> lawyers (perhaps a little short of imagination) who are knowledgeable 
> about e.g. the international political context.
You ignore honest lawyers making quite different statements from yours 
-and also winning cases at courts of justice-. Of course their not mere 
dreamers, they are aware of how hard is going to be changing the current 
state of things; simply, they don't give up for today long-term goals as 
you do.
>> Thus, the only thing that worries us in PIRATA is to be honest, to be 
>> sincere, to know what we want and to be aware of how much goals can 
>> be made according to the amount of available MPs in each parliament.
> Again, I would recommend the "catalytic" approach, achieving 
> substantive leverage by influencing other parties.
I think that the only influence that traditional parties know -apart 
from the people they listen to (and which is not the society as a 
whole)- is "/if I don't promise this, I'll lose this amount of votes/". 
If they dramatically lose votes in our favour maybe -only maybe- they 
will reconsider their stances on our core issues.
> Copyright, and - even worse - patent law tends to be ignored by 
> mainstream politics. This is even logical to some extent: even the 
> hardest working politics
There aren't so many in Spain:

http://www.partidopirata.es/blog/nota-de-prensa-sobre-el-absentismo-parlamentario/ 
(PIRATA blog entry in Spanish)

By the way: author's rights and patents aren't our only core issues. 
Check pirate parties ideologies at a glance to verify it:

http://int.piratenpartei.de/Pirate_Manifesto_parties_at_a_glance
> only have 168 hours in a week, so they must exploit the scarce 
> resource of time in an economic way. The Nobel-prize winning "pubic 
> choice" theory of economics even was based on that.
Was it based on how traditional politicians, given their scarcity of 
time -increased by many of them having multiple jobs, being absent from 
parliamentary sessions, playing internet games, etc-, prefer to have 
lobbies tell them what to do? Maybe Dutch traditional politicians are 
the hardest working politicians all around the world; however, it 
doesn't apply -in a general way- to Spanish traditional politicians.

e.g., one Spanish MP was accused of not doing anything in 6 months -and 
it was true- ... what did she do? Suddenly made the Government about 
1.500 questions, in just one day ... is the Government able to process 
all those questions at once? Have she been able to process all the 
answers at once? And the most important question: has she done anything 
after that show?
> As soon as one PP MP says: "wait a minute, this is not a routine 
> thing, a mere formality" other politicians may get involved as well.
Again, we are not PP, but PPI. And I'm afraid that you expect too much 
from traditional politicians.


                                                                                                    
Carlos Ayala
                                                                                                    
( Aiarakoa )

                                                                            
Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman

P.S.: The only PPs I know are Popular Parties -in particular, Spanish 
Popular Party (official acronym PP) and European Popular Party-European 
Democrats (official acronym EPP-ED)-. So please *don't refer to us as PP*.