[pp.int.general] where is the manifesto?

[Carlos Ayala Vargas]

Reinier Bakels wrote:
> 1. I don't think a private conversation was appropriate. I always 
> talked about the substance - even if you sometimes thought I did not. 
> If I say "you are wrong", than I don't mean that I blame you for 
> making a mistake, but that I have a different view (wich could be a 
> fact or an opinion).
And, /of course/, if you make contradictions -like calling me 
/fifthcolumnist/ and PPI /fundamentalist/ at the same time-, or plain 
insults -like /stupid/-, or other defamations -like /radical/-, you 
would just have been /creative/ in your descriptions. Haven't you been? 
Come on.
> 2. My "denial" is essential. Being insulting or scornful requires the 
> *intent* to do so (or at least "dolus eventualis" - I don't know the 
> term in English), and if I say that it is NOT my intent, *you have to 
> accept that as a fact*.
That would require me trusting your statement. If you /apologize/ in one 
mail while, in the same mail, continue calling /radicals/ all those who 
doesn't give up in demanding our goals -by the way, you considered our 
goals as /esoteric/! (your mail: 4-XII-09, 10:14)-, believe me: I don't 
trust your excuses.
> Even when I called you a "fifth column" at some time, that was about 
> your opinions.
> A "fifth column" - as you know - is some who works for the "ennemy". 
> Which was perfectly appropriate
Me, working for the pro-copyright lobby? Your excuses cannot be 
trustable when you continue defamating me again, and again. Can anyone 
find serious to say in the same mail "/and if I say that it is NOT my 
intent/ (to insult me)/, *you have to accept that as a fact*/", and 
"/even when I called you a 'fifth column'/ [...] */was perfectly 
appropriate/*". I'm not here to be insulted, moderate yourself.
> And, frankly, my patience is not infinite.
I have no doubt on that; actually I find it quite finite -from the first 
mails you have used that stuff I wholeheartedly reject-.
> This morning I tried another shock effect, calling you "amusing". 
> *Should I use even stronger words* to clarify my point?
What is this? Do you even dare to open & publicly menace me with further 
insults? This is new. Hope that insulting in this PPI list cannot be for 
free. So now, Reinier, just debate within the limits of politeness; 
nobody prevents you from debating, simply I won't tolerate that stuff 
from you.


                                                                                               
Carlos Ayala
                                                                                               
( Aiarakoa )

                                                                        
Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman