[pp.int.general] Of State and Main (I can't come up with abetter subject)

[Per von Zweigbergk]

8 jan 2009 kl. 09.49 skrev Reinier Bakels:

>> There's nothing wrong with discussions on pirate ideology, but I   
>> frankly don't see how discussions about the minor points about the   
>> European Charter of Human Rights is going to advance the cause of   
>> Pirate Parties internationally.
> Indeed. As you may have noted, I am trying to get away from the  
> "human rights" argument all the time. Still, it is very prominent in  
> the (present version of the) Manifesto - so it needs to be adapted  
> imho. If you also believe that human rights considerations are not  
> very helpful (or even potentially detrimental) in PP politics, don't  
> blame us for the debate, but get involved and support me in the  
> perception that we should prefer other, less academic arguments - if  
> only because there is actually an abundance of very convincing  
> arguments of that type.

Please don't twist my words. Before writing, maybe you should learn to  
read what the other person is writing. Or maybe you both are writing  
so much that it's impossible to have any time left to read what the  
other person is writing. This is the problem I'm observing.

I did not say I was against the usage of human rights arguments in a  
pirate manifesto, I said that I was against the endlessly verbose and  
legalistic discussion on this mailing list.

For the record, I have nothing against the use of a human rights  
argument when it comes to the Pirate Party. I agree with you that the  
usage of human rights arguments when it comes to justifying copyright  
reform is problematic. However, it's certainly valuable to use human  
right arguments against stuff like mass surveillance (Data Retention  
Directive et cetera), which at least I believe should be a core issue  
in a PPI manifesto.

I believe, as is the position of the Swedish Pirate Party, that  
imaginary property reform is secondary to requirements for  
communications secrecy, general privacy, and generally not living in a  
police state. And it is much more useful to discuss human rights  
issues out of that perspective than to blather on endlessly about  
relatively trivial issues such as the moral rights of authors.
-- 
Per von Zweigbergk

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