[pp.int.general] freedom of speech

[Reinier Bakels]

Eventually, Ayaan Hirsi Ali kept her Dutch citizenship, because the Dutch 
parliament wanted so.

She probably left the parliament (and The Netherlands) because the events 
were prtty negative. Minister Verdonk - from the same political party - was 
perceived to exploit the case to eliminate a competitor. Another explanation 
is that Ayaan Hirsi Ali was ready for a next step in her career. A beautiful 
black woman, bestseller author, could make more money from the US. 
Incidentally I don't share her fanatic anti-muslim position. She cultivates 
the idea that islam is inherently bad and does not allow more modern, 
moderate variations. Which is a definition matter, to some extent.

The identity fraud is questionable. The formalistic reasoning of the Dutch 
supreme court (developed in a prior case) is that if you are A and claim to 
be B when applying for Dutch citizenschip, B instead of A becomes a Dutch 
citizen. There has been a case in Germany where B was a real person, and 
still the Constitutional Court eventiually granted the citizenship to A. In 
the case of Ayaan, B was not a real person, but herself with some of the 
data altered. Which imho makes it less a crime.

But the actual reason not to question her citizenship is actually that her 
history was more or less widely known, for many years. Then it is a matter 
of good governance not  to contest the naturalisation decision again after 
all these years, for politically opportunistic reasons. Former Minister 
Verdonk, currently the leader of a questionable, far right populist 
movement, always said "rules are rules", and she favoured a tuogh 
application of rules. Well, every first year law student knows that all 
rules require interpretation. But Verdonk was not a lawyer, and apparently 
did not listen to advisors.

Incidentally, such "law and order" politicians often don't obey the law 
themselves. In a TV talkshow, Verdonk was asked a question about dath 
penalty in Iraq, and then she replied that Dutch human rights don't apply to 
Iraq. She did not understand that universal human rights are universal ...

The good news is that her political movement is nearly dead. Verdonk 
quarreled with her financial advisor, and recently she fired her campaign 
leader, because he said duing a university guest lecture that the movement 
really was only hot air. Which was the truth, but Verdonk could not stand 
the truth.

Let PP grab the floating voters she left.
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> Reinier Bakels wrote:
>> I referred to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a former Somali refugee, who became a 
>> Dutch parliament member and now lives in the US. After she quit Islam, 
>> and pubklished a lot about that, she became under threat. In our country, 
>> as a MEP she was protected by bodyguards, payd by the government
> Ali lost her seat in Dutch Parliament after resigning, because a "/media 
> speculation arose that she could lose her Dutch citizenship because of 
> this "identity fraud", rendering her ineligible for parliament. At first, 
> Minister Rita Verdonk^ 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali#cite_note-38> said she would 
> not look into the matter, but after Member of Parliament Hilbrand Nawijn 
> officially asked her for her position, she declared that she would 
> investigate Hirsi Ali's naturalization process. This investigation took 
> three days. The findings were that *Hirsi Ali had not legitimately 
> received Dutch citizenship, because she had lied about her name and date 
> of birth. Rita Verdonk moved to outlaw Hirsi Ali* by annulling her 
> citizenship, a move that was later overridden on the urging of 
> Parliament/"
>
> "/Hirsi Ali admitted that she had lied about her full name, her date of 
> birth and the manner in which she had come to the Netherlands. However, 
> several sources, including her first book The Son Factory, which had been 
> published in 2002, stated her real name and date of birth, and she had 
> also publicly stated these in a September 2002 interview published in the 
> political magazine HP/De Tijd and in an interview in the //VARA gids 
> (2002).^ <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali#cite_note-36> 
> Accordingly, these details were considered by many to be public knowledge. 
> Furthermore, Hirsi Ali has asserted that she made full disclosure of the 
> matter to VVD officials when she was invited to run for parliament in 
> 2002/"
>
> Ali gave a press conference and "/restated that she had spoken the truth 
> about the reason for seeking asylum, which had been the threat of a forced 
> marriage, despite a claim to the contrary on the Zembla program by some of 
> her relatives. *Her stated reason for resigning immediately was *not the 
> continuous threats, making her job as a parliamentarian "difficult" but 
> "not impossible", but *the news that the Minister would strip her of her 
> Dutch citizenship*/"
>
> Now let's gonna dedicate a huge /'applause/' to Rita Verdonk, Hilbrand 
> Nawijn & Co ... what a bunch of '/heroes/'.
>
>
> 
> Carlos Ayala
> 
> ( Aiarakoa )
>
> 
> Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman
>
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