[pp.int.general] Pirate Manifesto: status of internal ballots

[Carlos Ayala Vargas]

Reinier Bakels wrote:
>>> By letting one's opponents veto one's goals, one decides, in effect, 
>>> to advocate only the smallest of changes. This way one attracts only 
>>> people who have no larger vision. Thus, once started on that path, a 
>>> party is stuck on it.
>> I fully agree with that
> You do not react to what I said.
Totally agree: I react to RMS' words -when I said "/I fully agree/", I 
meant I fully agree those concrete words *from him*-. Thus, I'm reacting 
possitively to what he said -as he already had reacted to what you 
said-. Unless you mean that I do not react /possitively/ to what you 
said ... am I obliged to? I'm sure I'm not.
> Of course, *political* opponents will readily say that our proposals 
> are "unrealistic". But I referred to *lawyers*.
You refer to *some* lawyers, as e.g. there are at least several famous 
Spanish lawyers (Bravo, de la Cueva, Sanchez Almeida, etc) who disagree 
in a higher or lower degree with your viewpoints. And while I'm always 
keen to know what lawyers who I disagree with think -same as what other 
political parties think, and what civic groups think, and what everyone 
publicly express about PPI topics ... information means power, it's 
useful to be aware of each one's viewpoints-, I'm actually more 
interested on what those lawyers I talk about think, rather than what is 
thought by lawyers who try to prevent us to pursue some of our goals.

I don't know who, in this list -I think it was a Piratpartiet member, or 
maybe was RMS, I'm not sure-, said that lawyers are not meant to tell 
politicians what to do -that's rather a matter of the Judicial Branch 
(think of separation of powers)-, but to suggest politicians how to do 
it; and as advisors, not as commanders. Within that context, don't get 
annoyed if I prefer to rather listen to other lawyers. You're of course 
free to express your viewpoints -yours, not /lawyers/' (as you don't 
talk on behalf of all prestigious lawyers)-, however I guess you 
shouldn't expect everyone to agree with all your viewpoints -no matter 
whether they are /imho/ or /im*ns*ho/ (/not so humble/, I think you said)-.


                                                                                         
Carlos Ayala
                                                                                         
( Aiarakoa )

                                                                    
Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman