[pp.int.general] Anti-Piracy Cash Operation

[coretx]

On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:22 PM, Andrew Norton wrote:

> Nope, sorry, it can NEVER be entrapment.
>
> First of all, a civil company can never entrap. Not under UK law.
>

*snip*

STOP, your last sentence makes all of your response void.
What i'm trying to picture is how they exploit differences between law
in various countries.

Anyway, you know where to find me. I'll arrange access to the documents.


>
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:20 PM, coretx <coretx at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On the "entrapment" they are using various tricks for this.
>>
>> Example,
>> Company A, in Jurisdiction A does the entrapment.
>> Company A provides "proof" to company "B" that resides in  
>> jurisdiction "B".
>> Company C f*cks over pirates using data from "B", while being in
>> jurisdiction D.
>> In some jurisdictions, entrapment is legal. And in some cases it's  
>> hard to
>> proof that it is "entrapment".
>> In case "B" is being trapped on using entrapment, they destroy it,  
>> and setup
>> a company Z.
>> A typical type "A" company is
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaDefender
>> And you already know the story behind it. Including the "trade  
>> secrets"
>> argument being used.
>>
>> Ofcourse, that's just one  the constructions in a nutshell. Also,  
>> Davenport
>> Lyons is notorious for using every dirty trick in the book.
>> Once, i was invited to the offices of one of their "clients".  
>> Because the
>> wanted to "learn" from me and a friend,
>> after my friend "settled" ( legal extortion ) with them. However,  
>> it turned
>> out to be a trap. Luring us into another country, other legislation.
>> And f*ck us over there, or so they planned.This was about mimicking a
>> protocol, and applying it within a home network.
>> Plus, writing guides for people so that they could learn howto to  
>> do it
>> themselves. ( Basically doing nothing but filtering and replacing
>> advertisement
>> data between 2 devices on a local home network. )
>>
>> "By accident" i got my hands on a database of one of Davenports Lyons
>> biggest clients.
>> And some case examples.
>> If someone is doing research on them, i could easily arrange xs.
>> However, a NDA needs to be signed before transferring the data.
>>
>> N.B Keep in mind that this is just experience talk. If you really  
>> want to
>> know what is going on, talk to some lawyers.
>>
>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 5:25 PM, Nicolas Sahlqvist wrote:
>>
>>> I stumbled over a interesting article about the leaked documents  
>>> about the
>>> Anti-Piracy Cash Operation that seems to be initiated by the MAFIAA
>>> movement, they actually make a business model in sending threats of
>>> copyright infringement to people and it is generating a LOT of  
>>> money (150
>>> times more profitable then legal sales!) as the articles explains:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://torrentfreak.com/leaked-documents-reveal-anti-piracy-cash-operation-091115/
>>>
>>> http://torrentfreak.com/illegal-downloads-150x-more-profitable-than-legal-sales-091009/
>>>
>>> http://torrentfreak.com/new-anti-piracy-lawyers-chase-uk-file-sharers-090508/
>>>
>>> http://torrentfreak.com/youre-caught-downloading-dream-pinball-settle-now-or-go-broke/
>>>
>>> The leaked document actually shows that the firm chasing file- 
>>> sharers are
>>> actually putting copyrighted content on the P2P networks in the  
>>> 1st place
>>> so
>>> is that not entrapment? I doubt these methods are 100% legal..
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.wikileaks.com/wiki/Davenport_Lyons_and_DigiProtect_Actionpoints_for_filesharers%2C_14_Jan_2009
>>>
>>>
>>> - Nicolas
>>>  PPI / PPSE member
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