[pp.int.general] Big Brother in NL?
r.bakels at planet.nl
Sun Nov 29 10:52:09 CET 2009
> I like the German system. It allows you to print your (demestic)
> tickets at
> home. Obviously you should not be able to print tickets for friends who
> not paid - the germans solved that by linking the ticket to the credit
> you used for payment. You could someone elses credit card, but then you
> should have it with you if you travel.
> This method is the worst I have heard of. It identifies the
> traveller. It won't even let you buy a ticket for someone else to
> travel with.
No. It identifies the person who bought the ticket. The credit card may be
owned by a firm. And of course, the system allows you to buy multiple
tickets. For the reasons you explain, the code on the ticket is not 1:1
related with the credit card number.
> No thanks. I will buy a ticket with cash at a train station.
Then you probably have to queue, and often you have to may an additional
fee. A human at the windows is more expensive than a computer on the
Internet. And perhaps for privacy reasons I don't want a human operator to
know where I am travelling. A computer is neutral.
A vending machine may be an alternative - but it may not provide all the
reduction options, and you may have to inserts large amounts of cash money -
because I presume you don't want to pay with any payment card (debit or
credit) for security reasons.
> Other systems let you pay and get a code which you use as a ticket.
> That identifies who pays -- if she pays by credit card -- but does not
> identify the traveller. It is a little less bad than the German
Perhaps I did not make myself clear. This *is* basically the German system.
The code is on the ticket as a kind of two-dimensional barcode, and the
conductors (guards) carry a protable laser reader to read it. In the end,
systems that allow you to print tickets at home depend on some
irreproducible physical token, if I am correct. (Some people believe that
the Mexican flue epidemy is used as a pretext to inject a nanochip! - so
that the authorities can follw RMS wherever he goes)
But I do share your concern about privacy. Next Wednesday, I am going to see
a doctor to prepare for a trip to the Far East: to get malaria pills,
perhaps immnisations. Dutch law nowadays require you to present an ID if you
see a doctor. Which is a measure against illegal immigrants. They can't see
a doctor without being caught. Fortunately, I am not an illegal immigrant!
But should I support this inhumane system? How does the US handle its large
number of illegal (hispanic) immigrants?
Another concern is that they like to identify people of foreign origin
("allochtonen" - a Greek word denoting people from foreign soil). They
adopted a very wide definition wich makes me a person of foreign origin,
because my mother was born - as a Dutch citizen - 100 km across the border
where my grandfather was a diplomate! I am still waiting to be invited for
an exam testing my command of my native language ... In NL, a politican once
proposed to make the Dutch language mandatory for conversations in the
street (she meant: instead of Turkish or Arab). My observation is that the
US more or less accepts to have become a bilingual country speaking Enlish
and Spanish. Or do you also have fanatic politicians who want to exterminate
the use of Spanish in the US?
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