[pp.int.general] Protest certain musicians?

[Félix Robles]

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Christian Hufgard <pp at christian-hufgard.de
> wrote:

>
> Félix Robles wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Christian Hufgard
> > <pp at christian-hufgard.de
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> > And you are wrong, it's crosspromoting live concerts with music
> >> recordings
> >> > that does not pay off - unless you are "at the top of the charts".
> >> Only
> >> > very famous and already rich musicians earn a considerable part of
> >> their
> >> > money from records, 99% of musicians live out of live concerts.
> >>
> >> Can you give and evidence to that figures? Or do you just guess them,
> >> because they proof the way to consume music?
> >>
> >
> > I won't give any evidence to those figures, but they are true and you
> know
> > it.
>
> Sorry, that's no way to discuss. "My arguments are true and I do not have
> to proof them" does not work.
>

"Artists make more money with live concerts than with
records"<http://translate.google.es/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cincodias.com%2Farticulo%2Fsentidos%2Fartistas-ganan-conciertos-discos%2F20090707cdscdscis_10%2Fcdspor%2F&sl=es&tl=en&hl=es&ie=UTF-8>(translation
from spanish to english)

"An artist does not live from the records he
sells"<http://translate.google.es/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.filmica.com%2Fdavid_bravo%2Farchivos%2F005075.html&sl=es&tl=en&hl=es&ie=UTF-8>



>
> > Can your car be copied with zero cost? Is your car a cultural product?
>
> Well, I would say, that a car is a product of our culture. And a audio
> file is not copied with zero cost. Or do you get the hardware for free?
> The internet access?
>

The cost is not cero, but it's almost zero, I think it's called marginal
cost. I pay about 40€  a month for a 2.5MBytes (20Mbit) per second
connection, so the marginal cost of lets say downloading 300Mbytes (a whole
discography) is 40*300/(2.5*3600*24*30) =0.185 cents. Even if you counted
the electricity used and also the cost of the time of using my computer, it
wouldn't amount to 0.2 cents. On the other hand, the cost of copying your
car is more than 10^7 times higher (that would be a 2000€ car).




>
>
> >>> I am just freely accessing to culture.
> >>
> >> And the way you do it, you make it pretty less interesting for artists
> >> to
> >> "produce" new "culture".
> >>
> >> That's why there was no music before copyright was invented, I suppose?
>
> Come on. You can do this better. Do you really see no difference beetween
> a shepherd playing flute and beethoven or madonna?
>
>
Madonna? Do you really want me to answer? :P How many records did Beethoven
sell when he was alive?


>
> >> You're a pretty noble guy. I think every artist should be really really
> >> glad, if you listen to his music. So do you regulary visit concerts? Or
> >> are you just a cultural parasite, consuming what others peoples pay for?
> >>
> >
> > So when I go to the public library and pay 0 cents for reading a book I'm
> > a cultural parasite too?
>
> Libraries pay for the books and pay for loaning them. They are funded by
> tax. Just because you do not pay directly, that does not mean, that you
> pay nothing.
>
>
That's true in europe, since only about 2 years ago. Before that, we only
paid for buying the books, then everyone could read them for free (well, a
marginal cost indeed).
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