[pp.int.general] Protest certain musicians?

[Christian Hufgard]

> "Artists make more money with live concerts than with
> records"<http://translate.google.es/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cincodias.com%2Farticulo%2Fsentidos%2Fartistas-ganan-conciertos-discos%2F20090707cdscdscis_10%2Fcdspor%2F&sl=es&tl=en&hl=es&ie=UTF-8>(translation
> from spanish to english)
>
> "An artist does not live from the records he
> sells"<http://translate.google.es/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.filmica.com%2Fdavid_bravo%2Farchivos%2F005075.html&sl=es&tl=en&hl=es&ie=UTF-8>

And what about the costs? I recently talked to the producer of Söhne
Mannheims (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%B6hne_Mannheims) a pretty
successful german band. I think he is a honest guy.

The figures he gave me:

CD sales reduced from about 450.000 copies of a single down to about
150.000 while concerts increased from 2.000 peoples to 20.000 peoples. But
they make less money after all.


>>> Can your car be copied with zero cost? Is your car a cultural product?
>>
>> Well, I would say, that a car is a product of our culture. And a audio
>> file is not copied with zero cost. Or do you get the hardware for free?
>> The internet access?
>>
>
> The cost is not cero, but it's almost zero, I think it's called marginal
> cost. I pay about 40€  a month for a 2.5MBytes (20Mbit) per second
> connection, so the marginal cost of lets say downloading 300Mbytes (a
> whole
> discography) is 40*300/(2.5*3600*24*30) =0.185 cents. Even if you counted
> the electricity used and also the cost of the time of using my computer,
> it
> wouldn't amount to 0.2 cents. On the other hand, the cost of copying your
> car is more than 10^7 times higher (that would be a 2000€ car).

Don't forget the computer itself. :) Of course the costs are pretty low -
but you pay them. You do not use your neighours W-Lan, do you?


>> >>> I am just freely accessing to culture.
>> >>
>> >> And the way you do it, you make it pretty less interesting for
>> artists
>> >> to
>> >> "produce" new "culture".
>> >>
>> >> That's why there was no music before copyright was invented, I
>> suppose?
>>
>> Come on. You can do this better. Do you really see no difference
>> beetween
>> a shepherd playing flute and beethoven or madonna?
>>
>>
> Madonna? Do you really want me to answer? :P How many records did
> Beethoven
> sell when he was alive?

That's the point. That time the modell to sell music was totally
different. Would you like it, if musicians would be only paied by rich
people who allow just their friends to visit the concerts?

The biggest problem of the music industrie is (according to the ceo of
sony music germany), that due to less money especially new artists don't
get the chance to produce good records. Without those records, you don't
have anything to share. And at the end, you do not have a concert to
visit. :9


>> Libraries pay for the books and pay for loaning them. They are funded by
>> tax. Just because you do not pay directly, that does not mean, that you
>> pay nothing.
>>
>>
> That's true in europe, since only about 2 years ago. Before that, we only
> paid for buying the books, then everyone could read them for free (well, a
> marginal cost indeed).

But once again, a cost that was paied.


Christian