[pp.int.general] Greens saying Pirate Parties unnecessary

[Eric Priezkalns]

Jamie,

I don't understand your point.  The Canadians and other Green parties  
say there is no need for a Pirate Party because they have the relevant  
policies already.  You respond by saying this is not just propaganda -  
does that mean you don't think there is a need for a Pirate Party?   
When other parties say they have green policies, do the Greens say  
"look, they have green policies - we don't need to exist"?  My  
question wasn't about whether people have a nice fuzzy feeling about  
the Greens deep down in their soul or whether we think the Greens are  
run by lovely people with their hearts in the right place when it  
comes to intellectual property.  It was about how they are using  
propaganda to hurt the Pirate Parties and asking how the Pirate  
Parties intend to respond.  Either the response is collective at  
international level, or it will have to be done at national level,  
because somebody has to respond.  Green candidates are going to  
compete with Pirate candidates for the same votes.  If Green Parties  
say there is no need for Pirate Parties and point to the European  
Parliament as evidence, the correct answer from a Pirate Party  
spokesperson or candidate cannot be to simply comment on what a good  
job the Greens would do if they were elected instead of the Pirate  
Party's candidate.

E


On 15 Sep 2009, at 13:07, jamie king wrote:

> I wouldn't say it's just propaganda. The uk Greens showed 'STEAL THIS
> FILM II' at their conference last year -- so I guess even before
> Pirate Party looked more viable, they were thinking about these
> issues. Just saying.
>
> j
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Eric Priezkalns
> <eric.priezkalns at pirateparty.org.uk> wrote:
>> This is a snip from an interview with the leader of the Greens in  
>> Canada,
>> Elizabeth May.  The full interview is
>> here: http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28206
>> "p2pnet: What do you think of Pirate Parties and the fact it looks  
>> as though
>> Canada and soon join other countries in having one of its own?
>> May: Did you notice that the Pirate Party in the EU Parliament has  
>> joined
>> the Green Caucus?  We don’t need a pirate party in Canada. The  
>> greens are
>> championing those issues. We shouldn’t further fracture the efforts  
>> of
>> Canadians who want to restore real democracy, including in  
>> undemocratic
>> copyright rules."
>> Elizabeth May has previously said similar things in an attempt to  
>> undermine
>> the Pirate Party of Canada.  We've got 'Green Pirates' trying to  
>> win new
>> votes for the Green party in mainland Europe.  In the UK, similar  
>> things are
>> starting to happen, with the Green Party attempting to undermine  
>> Pirate
>> Party support because they see it as a threat.
>> Who is taking the lead to counter Green Party propaganda, publicly  
>> saying
>> there is a need for a separate Pirate Party movement?  If it is not
>> coordinated internationally, than national parties will have no  
>> choice but
>> to fight back individually to stop votes, members and support being  
>> lost to
>> the Green Party.
>> Best regards,
>> Eric
>>
>> Eric Priezkalns
>> Treasurer
>> Pirate Party UK
>> +44 7958 467273
>> treasurer at pirateparty.org.uk
>> http://pirateparty.org.uk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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